VAR in Scottish Football

[Buddy Love]

6 minutes ago, Broughty said:

Can't go through life making up excuses for your not winning, get real

My observations make absolutely no  references or excuses for my team winning or losing.They do,  however, reflect my disenchantment with the inconsistencies that are becoming apparent from the introduction of VAR into our game in Scotland, which, unless I misread the header ,is the topic of this thread. 

[kingjoey]

1 hour ago, Munoz said:

Not with St Johnstone's penalty it wasn't. A clear handball in the lead up should have cancelled out Tanser's handball. 

It wasn't a goal so previous play isn't looked at.

[Munoz]

16 minutes ago, kingjoey said:

It wasn't a goal so previous play isn't looked at.

Is that the rule? Christ, it gets worse.

 

[VincentGuerin]

1 hour ago, kingjoey said:

It wasn't a goal so previous play isn't looked at.

Depends what you mean by previous play. For a penalty decision the whole attacking phase of play leading up to it is checked for fouls or offsides against the attacking team.

It's why penalty decisions take so long.

[craigkillie]

I haven't seen the incident, but if it "hit the player's arm" as described, then it wouldn't be a handball anyway. The only time that changes is if the player who accidentally handles the ball immediately scores or immediately assists a goal.

[Raidernation]

And so it starts.
NOT HAPPY 

Celtic to seek SFA answers over Jota’s offside goal vs Motherwell as Hoops chiefs raise fears over faith in Var system

CELTIC are set to seek SFA clarification over Jota's controversial offside goal against Motherwell.

SunSport understands Parkhead chiefs have been left bemused at the VAR angle used for that decision at Fir Park on Wednesday night.

Motherwell chief executive Alan Burrows has confirmed on social media that cameras on BOTH 18-yard lines at Fir Park were operational.

But Celtic are now seeking answers as to why there was no image from the Motherwell half circulated via the broadcasting feed.

SunSport understands the VAR officials are 100 per cent certain Jota WAS offside - with the lines calbrated via the technology

Hoops chiefs believe faith in the VAR system could be undermined unless the reasons for all decisions are illustrated fully.

Celtic are expected to write to the SFA in the coming days looking for an explanation.

Chief executive Michael Nicholson previously contacted the governing body following Celtic's 4-3 win over Hearts last month.

The Hoops were baffled at the decision not to advise ref Nick Walsh to check a potential handball by Michael Smith

 
 

Victims gonna victim [emoji849]

[hk blues]

9 hours ago, bennett said:

And so it starts.

NOT HAPPY 

Celtic to seek SFA answers over Jota’s offside goal vs Motherwell as Hoops chiefs raise fears over faith in Var system

CELTIC are set to seek SFA clarification over Jota's controversial offside goal against Motherwell.

SunSport understands Parkhead chiefs have been left bemused at the VAR angle used for that decision at Fir Park on Wednesday night.

Motherwell chief executive Alan Burrows has confirmed on social media that cameras on BOTH 18-yard lines at Fir Park were operational.

But Celtic are now seeking answers as to why there was no image from the Motherwell half circulated via the broadcasting feed.

SunSport understands the VAR officials are 100 per cent certain Jota WAS offside - with the lines calbrated via the technology

Hoops chiefs believe faith in the VAR system could be undermined unless the reasons for all decisions are illustrated fully.

Celtic are expected to write to the SFA in the coming days looking for an explanation.

Chief executive Michael Nicholson previously contacted the governing body following Celtic's 4-3 win over Hearts last month.

The Hoops were baffled at the decision not to advise ref Nick Walsh to check a potential handball by Michael Smith

 

 

He was clearly offside at the point of the pass being made regardless of the angle of VAR used.

A strange hill to die on.

[Empty It]

Football is going the same way as F1 with teams in the future winning titles in the courts.

[Leith Green]

9 hours ago, bennett said:

And so it starts.

NOT HAPPY 

Celtic to seek SFA answers over Jota’s offside goal vs Motherwell as Hoops chiefs raise fears over faith in Var system

CELTIC are set to seek SFA clarification over Jota's controversial offside goal against Motherwell.

SunSport understands Parkhead chiefs have been left bemused at the VAR angle used for that decision at Fir Park on Wednesday night.

Motherwell chief executive Alan Burrows has confirmed on social media that cameras on BOTH 18-yard lines at Fir Park were operational.

But Celtic are now seeking answers as to why there was no image from the Motherwell half circulated via the broadcasting feed.

SunSport understands the VAR officials are 100 per cent certain Jota WAS offside - with the lines calbrated via the technology

Hoops chiefs believe faith in the VAR system could be undermined unless the reasons for all decisions are illustrated fully.

Celtic are expected to write to the SFA in the coming days looking for an explanation.

Chief executive Michael Nicholson previously contacted the governing body following Celtic's 4-3 win over Hearts last month.

The Hoops were baffled at the decision not to advise ref Nick Walsh to check a potential handball by Michael Smith

 

 

Any article that uses the phrase "The Hoops" so many times needs to be completely ignored.

[accies1874]

I'm really surprised that VAR hasn't stopped weirdo fans thinking there's a conspiracy against Their Team. Nobody could've seen that coming.

[coprolite]

11 hours ago, bennett said:

And so it starts.

NOT HAPPY 

Celtic to seek SFA answers over Jota’s offside goal vs Motherwell as Hoops chiefs raise fears over faith in Var system

CELTIC are set to seek SFA clarification over Jota's controversial offside goal against Motherwell.

SunSport understands Parkhead chiefs have been left bemused at the VAR angle used for that decision at Fir Park on Wednesday night.

Motherwell chief executive Alan Burrows has confirmed on social media that cameras on BOTH 18-yard lines at Fir Park were operational.

But Celtic are now seeking answers as to why there was no image from the Motherwell half circulated via the broadcasting feed.

SunSport understands the VAR officials are 100 per cent certain Jota WAS offside - with the lines calbrated via the technology

Hoops chiefs believe faith in the VAR system could be undermined unless the reasons for all decisions are illustrated fully.

Celtic are expected to write to the SFA in the coming days looking for an explanation.

Chief executive Michael Nicholson previously contacted the governing body following Celtic's 4-3 win over Hearts last month.

The Hoops were baffled at the decision not to advise ref Nick Walsh to check a potential handball by Michael Smith

 

 

They're not going to concede the victimhood title easily. Rangers need to up their game, possibly with a statement. 

[Arch Stanton]

1 hour ago, accies1874 said:

I'm really surprised that VAR hasn't stopped weirdo fans thinking there's a conspiracy against Their Team. Nobody could've seen that coming.

Fans of your team needn't worry about VAR for a long time to come.

[DA Baracus]

Seems like Celtic are playing up for their moron fanbase. It's all demonstrative.

[Swello]

To be honest, until I found out the reason that the Jota offside VAR decision in our game used a weird camera angle was that the "best" camera was filming the managers at the time - I hadn't really thought about the conflict of using the same cameras for TV and for VAR simultaneously. 

I would imagine that in bigger leagues with large numbers of cameras in operation, it isn't really an issue - but with our budget version, there must be a lot of conflict between the two uses and the effectiveness of the system must be a bit questionable as a result.

[AJF]

It is ruining aspects of our game. Our product is diminished and it’s laughable how it has been implemented.

[Leith Green]

40 minutes ago, Swello said:

To be honest, until I found out the reason that the Jota offside VAR decision in our game used a weird camera angle was that the "best" camera was filming the managers at the time - I hadn't really thought about the conflict of using the same cameras for TV and for VAR simultaneously. 

I would imagine that in bigger leagues with large numbers of cameras in operation, it isn't really an issue - but with our budget version, there must be a lot of conflict between the two uses and the effectiveness of the system must be a bit questionable as a result.

I dont think this really matters, there are 6 cameras minimum round the stadium, inc one on each 18 yard line and one behind each goal.

The software uses the available pictures to render the on/offside lines we see on the tv.

Burrows has already said that both 18 yard cameras were operational. On the radio this am they suggested there was some human error involved. 

My guess (and its pure speculation) is that the human error involved showing that still photo from that particular camera (clearly not the best angle) as opposed to the correctness of the decision, which could have used the other cameras.

[hk blues]

12 minutes ago, Leith Green said:

I dont think this really matters, there are 6 cameras minimum round the stadium, inc one on each 18 yard line and one behind each goal.

The software uses the available pictures to render the on/offside lines we see on the tv.

Burrows has already said that both 18 yard cameras were operational. On the radio this am they suggested there was some human error involved. 

My guess (and its pure speculation) is that the human error involved showing that still photo from that particular camera (clearly not the best angle) as opposed to the correctness of the decision, which could have used the other cameras.

I think you're spot on with that last para.  

I think the decision was 100% correct - the photo in the Daily Record leaves no room for doubt Jota was offside but the other photos I've seen are less obvious.  I have no idea why the "wrong" photo has been publicised and that mistake has opened the door a crack for Celtic to call into question not just the decision in itself but the VAR system in general.

 

[VincentGuerin]

I'm honestly just so tired of Celtic supporters.

They're a bunch of fucking babies who just suck all the joy out of fitba.

That they'd respond this way to VAR was the most predictable thing ever.

[Swello]

Wait until there's an Old Firm game with a goal chalked off by VAR - I suspect we haven't seen anything yet. 

[DA Baracus]

2 hours ago, hk blues said:

I have no idea why the "wrong" photo has been publicised and that mistake has opened the door a crack for Celtic to call into question not just the decision in itself but the VAR system in general.

Really? Pretty obvious why.