ArabFC Posted November 2, 2022 Share Posted November 2, 2022 3 minutes ago, AJF said: Interesting to see that (apparently) the Swedish league has just had 9 of their 16 topflight clubs vote against the introduction of VAR. Not entirely sure of the detail, just wondering why there would be such a contrast in the number of clubs supporting it compared to us. Always liked Sweden. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VincentGuerin Posted November 2, 2022 Share Posted November 2, 2022 Don't worry, lads. All these things are just teething problems. It'll be fine. As an aside, anyone else see the Dortmund - Eintrachtgame last weekend where the referee and also VAR missed a clear penalty for Eintracht because - as confirmed after the game - they didn't look at the right angles. Germany is in its sixth season of using VAR. Anyway, all just teething problems. I'm sure it'll get better soon. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gannonball Posted November 2, 2022 Share Posted November 2, 2022 Fair play to them for accepting the appeal. I thought they would have doubled down tbh. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
accies1874 Posted November 2, 2022 Share Posted November 2, 2022 Interesting to see that (apparently) the Swedish league has just had 9 of their 16 topflight clubs vote against the introduction of VAR. Not entirely sure of the detail, just wondering why there would be such a contrast in the number of clubs supporting it compared to us.Only in Scotland [emoji1787]Wait... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leith Green Posted November 2, 2022 Share Posted November 2, 2022 VAR is pish, but its here to stay. What does annoy me is the suspicion that some refs will abdicate on field responsibility for decisions "because we have guys in the VAR suite". I have seen one or two already that are either god awful refereeing, or they have just decided to let the boys in the caravan look........ 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigkillie Posted November 2, 2022 Share Posted November 2, 2022 People keep saying that, but there have been a few on-field "big decisions" overturned by VAR checks too. James Brown's red card against us last weekend and Aberdeen's disallowed goal against Motherwell the week before spring to mind immediately. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ropy Posted November 2, 2022 Share Posted November 2, 2022 The ref awarded nothing VAR effectively recommended a red card An appeal ‘panel’ decided it was a yellow. A case for any of those could be made. Whats the point? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeWhoWalksBehindTheRows Posted November 2, 2022 Share Posted November 2, 2022 On 28/10/2022 at 17:58, kingjoey said: I feel that it has "changed dramatically" inasmuch you never know which bus or train you're going to be able to catch due to the VAR taking an age over 3 or 4 decisions. Not a problem if your a ***. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leith Green Posted November 2, 2022 Share Posted November 2, 2022 1 hour ago, craigkillie said: People keep saying that, but there have been a few on-field "big decisions" overturned by VAR checks too. James Brown's red card against us last weekend and Aberdeen's disallowed goal against Motherwell the week before spring to mind immediately. Aye, I just saw a few (like the Hearts pen v Celtic) and thought "come on, why would than not just be a straight on field pen"? At least with the Brown one you mention, the ref actually made a decision which is their job (even if his decision was ultimately wrong) instead of shiting it and waiting for the mason VAR ref in the suite to tell him. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gorgie greatness Posted November 2, 2022 Share Posted November 2, 2022 It would appear the Madrid masons are working Var 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Junior_Arab Posted November 2, 2022 Share Posted November 2, 2022 4 hours ago, ropy said: The ref awarded nothing VAR effectively recommended a red card An appeal ‘panel’ decided it was a yellow. A case for any of those could be made. Whats the point? One of the big defences of VAR that gets trotted out when most people agree they’ve made an absolute arse of a decision is that “the fans only think that because they don’t know the laws of the game”. So, in this instance, who is it that “doesn’t know the laws of the game”? The ref who let it go then changed his mind? The VAR officials who decided it was a red card? The appeals panel who decided it wasn’t? Someone should get their arse kicked. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LIVIFOREVER Posted November 2, 2022 Share Posted November 2, 2022 1 hour ago, Junior_Arab said: One of the big defences of VAR that gets trotted out when most people agree they’ve made an absolute arse of a decision is that “the fans only think that because they don’t know the laws of the game”. So, in this instance, who is it that “doesn’t know the laws of the game”? The ref who let it go then changed his mind? The VAR officials who decided it was a red card? The appeals panel who decided it wasn’t? Someone should get their arse kicked. They don't know what they're doing, they don't know what they're doing................ 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Busta Nut Posted November 2, 2022 Share Posted November 2, 2022 I admittedly am very confused over the Tony Watt one. When I saw it in the game I was astounded it wasn't a foul as I would have said Watt went in high and caught Goss with his studs. When I saw the dodgy angle replay I thought it was a red. When I saw the definitive angle I knew I was right. Now the appeals panel are suggesting raking your studs down someones leg, starting 4/5's of the way up someones shin is only a yellow card. Is it the mid 80s again? -2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dundee Hibernian Posted November 2, 2022 Share Posted November 2, 2022 3 minutes ago, Busta Nut said: I admittedly am very confused over the Tony Watt one. When I saw it in the game I was astounded it wasn't a foul as I would have said Watt went in high and caught Goss with his studs. When I saw the dodgy angle replay I thought it was a red. When I saw the definitive angle I knew I was right. Now the appeals panel are suggesting raking your studs down someones leg, starting 4/5's of the way up someones shin is only a yellow card. Is it the mid 80s again? You are perhaps confused because the majority of angles, when studied with no time pressures, show that Watt didn't rake his studs down the legs of Goss. The film clip published by Motherwell suggested Watt had caught Goss, the other pieces of film utilised showed Watt was reckless in a challenge. You should be pleased with the overall affair: Motherwell played 50 minutes against 10 men following a VAR/refereeing mistake. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Busta Nut Posted November 2, 2022 Share Posted November 2, 2022 Ok then, he never. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ropy Posted November 2, 2022 Share Posted November 2, 2022 1 hour ago, Busta Nut said: Ok then, he never. I have moved on but Carl McHugh, Bevis Mugabi and Callum Lang are shaking their heads. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Theyellowbox Posted November 2, 2022 Share Posted November 2, 2022 10 hours ago, Swello said: This is a bit of a mind boggling thing - presumably it was overturned on the basis of some footage that wasn't available to the Referee or VAR at the time (as that is what Utd said they were going to present). It begs the question on whether they would use all available footage or just what was presented by the appealing club - because the Motherwell footage that @Div shared on the P&B twitter feed was the most damning angle that I've seen - but no-one is going to present that as (other than attempting to prove that Goss wasn't "cheating") it's nothing to do with Motherwell. Probably the worst thing that could happen for VAR is to have a VAR-aided decision overturned on appeal within the first couple of weeks - credibility of the system undermined early on. There was an alternative angle that Utd produced that showed the challenge from the George fox side, which wasn't available in real time for VAR. Can't find it again, but saw it somewhere and it's less damming that the others. Still think even with that, when a VAR decision is made, it should not be over turned after the game. The whole mantra is 'clear and obvious' and you cannot argue either the Watt decision or even the James Brown one is a 'clear and obvious' mistake. I'd set a time limit on a decision being made. The red card in the Saints Killie game was a nonsense that it took so long. Even though it benefitted my team, if you cannot decide that it is a correct decision or not in 30 seconds, then it is not 'clear and obvious'. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DA Baracus Posted November 2, 2022 Share Posted November 2, 2022 Think they've binned the 'clear and obvious' stuff, for fairly evident reasons. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigkillie Posted November 2, 2022 Share Posted November 2, 2022 The SFA's Q&A about VAR still uses that very wording. https://www.scottishfa.co.uk/news/video-assistant-referee-var-qa/?rid=13929 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArabFC Posted November 3, 2022 Share Posted November 3, 2022 12 hours ago, Busta Nut said: I admittedly am very confused over the Tony Watt one. When I saw it in the game I was astounded it wasn't a foul as I would have said Watt went in high and caught Goss with his studs. When I saw the dodgy angle replay I thought it was a red. When I saw the definitive angle I knew I was right. Now the appeals panel are suggesting raking your studs down someones leg, starting 4/5's of the way up someones shin is only a yellow card. Is it the mid 80s again? Yes, you are a very confused individual. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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