The Ghost of B A R P Posted October 4, 2021 Share Posted October 4, 2021 5 hours ago, Dunning1874 said: I'm not remotely confident it will happen either, in fact I'm almost certain it won't and that it isn't realistic, but it's the only thing that's going to stop us gradually slipping further from safety. One win every 10 games isn't going to keep us up, a QoS style burst of results is necessary at this point. If it isn't going to happen then there's no point in MacPherson being here - if we take say four points from the next four games, we're probably going to be cut adrift in the bottom two. Drawing our way to survival is already off the table, we need to start winning. Completely agree we need to start winning, but I'll take it one win at a time. If you offered me, say, five points from the next four games, I'd bite your hand off... but four is really the minimum for removing him. Similarly, if you offered me twelve from the next ten, three wins and three draws, taking us to eighteen at the half-way stage, I'd take it: that's a platform for a better second half with a squad that has bedded in and, hopefully, more settled selections and set-up. Is he capable of that? No idea. If we lose in both Inverness and Dumfries, he'll be straight back into the last-chance saloon for the two home games against Partick and Hamilton. I didn't see Saturday's game, but my sense is you could reasonably take both a glass-half-empty and a glass-half-full position on it: on one hand, a bizarre team selection and we couldn't see it out when ahead; on the other, goals, a second-half response, and a refereeing decision going against us at the wrong time. So is it signs of improvement or same old story? Rest of this month will tell us... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SimonLichtie Posted October 4, 2021 Share Posted October 4, 2021 3 hours ago, Smokerson said: Good point on saturday and a decent battling away performance. Take the best two players out of any team and there will always be a drop so not sure why anyone thought otherwise. Agree with this bigtime - it was a poor game overall in my opinion, but the reality is without our two best players we matched Morton overall, while obvious weakness did show it's the same for every team in the division. If we're able to match the teams that're expected to be nearer the bottom when we're off our game/ missing key players (Gold also a big loss in my opinion) that's a very encouraging sign for me. An average performance, a scrappy point and against a team we have to be looking to be better than - but far more positives than negatives for me 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vikingTON Posted October 4, 2021 Share Posted October 4, 2021 Were Arbroath really without two players on Saturday? You'd think it might have been mentioned by now. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lichtielegend Posted October 4, 2021 Share Posted October 4, 2021 39 minutes ago, virginton said: Were Arbroath really without two players on Saturday? You'd think it might have been mentioned by now. How many players have you lot been without this season? You might break into midtable when you get them all back. -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1320Lichtie Posted October 4, 2021 Author Share Posted October 4, 2021 1 hour ago, virginton said: Were Arbroath really without two players on Saturday? You'd think it might have been mentioned by now. If it was any other two tbf I doubt it would’ve been said anywhere near as much but I get your point. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ellichtie Posted October 4, 2021 Share Posted October 4, 2021 (edited) We were crap second half, Hilson and LD had a bit of an off day but we were worth a point imo cause Morton weren't much better. Edited October 4, 2021 by ellichtie 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vikingTON Posted October 4, 2021 Share Posted October 4, 2021 1 hour ago, Lichtielegend said: How many players have you lot been without this season? You might break into midtable when you get them all back. We've been without multiple players in just about every game this season due to Covid and other issues. Our most effective forward (not saying much tbh) also came off injured early in the first half on Saturday. The reality is that it's a squad game over 36 matches so none of that counts as an excuse when our team doesn't get the job done. Much as our manager might wish it to be otherwise. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AsimButtHitsASix Posted October 4, 2021 Share Posted October 4, 2021 48 minutes ago, virginton said: We've been without multiple players in just about every game this season due to Covid and other issues. Our most effective forward (not saying much tbh) also came off injured early in the first half on Saturday. Robbie Muirhead didn't start... What a depressing image 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arbroathbill Posted October 4, 2021 Share Posted October 4, 2021 On 02/10/2021 at 16:59, DUAFC said: There you go !! Decent away point all things considered. Very Happy with the way the lads kept on going for the point...... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AsimButtHitsASix Posted October 4, 2021 Share Posted October 4, 2021 Seen the highlights and it's never a penalty. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1320Lichtie Posted October 4, 2021 Author Share Posted October 4, 2021 16 minutes ago, AsimButtHitsASix said: Seen the highlights and it's never a penalty. Not for me either it’s a bit soft but I can see why he’s given it, Hammy has taken a flying arm into his face 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AsimButtHitsASix Posted October 4, 2021 Share Posted October 4, 2021 I could see that argument if his arm has impeded the other player but he's got up and won the ball without touching him then been unfortunate to catch him on the way down. It's akin to getting a foul against you for running into a late tackle. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
port-ton Posted October 4, 2021 Share Posted October 4, 2021 Disagree actually. Leading with your elbow like that would be a foul anywhere else on the pitch regardless if you win the header or not. I'd have certainly been shouting for a penalty if it was in the other box. If I remember correctly a team was punished vs Czech Republic in euros for something similar. Harsh on Mcantee who's just trying to win the header but I have no real issue with it being given under the current laws of the game. The referee certainly wasn't cheating us out of 2 points with his decision, and I actually respect the fact he gave the decision despite barely anyone claiming for it, which has been used as a reason from some for why it was never a penalty. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1320Lichtie Posted October 4, 2021 Author Share Posted October 4, 2021 10 minutes ago, port-ton said: Disagree actually. Leading with your elbow like that would be a foul anywhere else on the pitch regardless if you win the header or not. I'd have certainly been shouting for a penalty if it was in the other box. If I remember correctly a team was punished vs Czech Republic in euros for something similar. Harsh on Mcantee who's just trying to win the header but I have no real issue with it being given under the current laws of the game. The referee certainly wasn't cheating us out of 2 points with his decision, and I actually respect the fact he gave the decision despite barely anyone claiming for it, which has been used as a reason from some for why it was never a penalty. Fair play 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Ghost of B A R P Posted October 4, 2021 Share Posted October 4, 2021 2 hours ago, AsimButtHitsASix said: Seen the highlights and it's never a penalty. Never, ever. A truly ridiculous decision. 56 minutes ago, port-ton said: Disagree actually. Leading with your elbow like that would be a foul anywhere else on the pitch regardless if you win the header or not. The referee certainly wasn't cheating us out of 2 points with his decision, and I actually respect the fact he gave the decision despite barely anyone claiming for it, which has been used as a reason from some for why it was never a penalty. He didn’t ‘lead with his elbow’. No one’s saying the ref cheated, but ‘respecting’ him for making a terrible decision is a weird place to find yourself. There’s a vey good reason no one was claiming: it wasn’t a penalty. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
port-ton Posted October 4, 2021 Share Posted October 4, 2021 8 minutes ago, The Ghost of B A R P said: Never, ever. A truly ridiculous decision. He didn’t ‘lead with his elbow’. No one’s saying the ref cheated, but ‘respecting’ him for making a terrible decision is a weird place to find yourself. There’s a vey good reason no one was claiming: it wasn’t a penalty. I saw it from the cowshed at the time without a giant pillar blocking the contact and Mcantee definitely seemed to catch the Arbroath player with an elbow motion to the face as he was heading it rather than just using him as leverage to help his jump. Highlights not as conclusive either way as I was hoping for but I've saw nothing in the video that proves he didn't catch him with a flailing elbow, which would be a foul regardless if he won the header or not. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lichtgilphead Posted October 4, 2021 Share Posted October 4, 2021 18 minutes ago, The Ghost of B A R P said: He didn’t ‘lead with his elbow’. Why did Hammy's nose suddenly start bleeding then? Was it the effects of altitude? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lichtie23 Posted October 5, 2021 Share Posted October 5, 2021 I’m still surprised we actually scored a penalty 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AsimButtHitsASix Posted October 5, 2021 Share Posted October 5, 2021 8 hours ago, port-ton said: Disagree actually. Leading with your elbow like that would be a foul anywhere else on the pitch regardless if you win the header or not. He hasn't lead with his elbow tho'. He's got up, fairly, won the ball and, on the way back down, has caught the lad with his arm/elbow. After winning the header he's extended his arm to balance himself on the descent as every other player in the world does after going up for a header. The reason he's caught the other player is because that other player has made a late challenge for the ball. His attempt to header the ball has came after McEntee has won it. It's like a player sliding in for a tackle late, hurting himself on the other player's leg, and winning the foul. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stan3600 Posted October 5, 2021 Share Posted October 5, 2021 I’m still surprised we actually scored a penalty I seem to remember McKenna’s penalty record is very good. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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