eez-eh Posted December 24, 2021 Share Posted December 24, 2021 34 minutes ago, Dunfermline Don said: Glasgow, Edinburgh, Aberdeen and Dundee will always be the only cities in Scotland IMO. To call other towns a city somewhat devalues it for me. I get the old ‘having a Cathedral’ thing in the past but a city should have a certain population to qualify these days. Dunfermline will always be the ‘Auld Grey Toun’ 31 minutes ago, TheScarf said: I always think of it as any settlement with a population of under 100,000 has a hard neck calling itself a city. So that would just be the 4 cities you mention. The South Ayrshire megalopolis would be right at home amongst the other 4 then.* * it’s a fucking ridiculous idea. I can only guess some batshit crazy councillor thought it up and everyone else was too scared to tell them they’re a fucking idiot. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkey Tennis Posted December 24, 2021 Share Posted December 24, 2021 1 hour ago, Dunfermline Don said: Glasgow, Edinburgh, Aberdeen and Dundee will always be the only cities in Scotland IMO. To call other towns a city somewhat devalues it for me. Agreed. It's all a bit silly, and desperate sounding. What are the 'official' other ones anyway? Perth, Inverness, Stirling? I'm genuinely not sure. I suppose that proves the point that conferring city status changes nothing about how such places are regarded. What's so wrong about being a town anyway? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DiegoDiego Posted December 24, 2021 Share Posted December 24, 2021 What are the 'official' other ones anyway? Perth, Inverness, Stirling? I'm genuinely not sure. I suppose that proves the point that conferring city status changes nothing about how such places are regarded. Yes, your n=1 study certainly proves the point. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkey Tennis Posted December 24, 2021 Share Posted December 24, 2021 10 minutes ago, DiegoDiego said: Yes, your n=1 study certainly proves the point. Fair enough. It's obviously proof of nothing. I'd tamely suggest it might be indicative of something though. Obviously, however, that can also be challenged on account of the sample size if doing so pleases you. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tamthebam Posted December 25, 2021 Share Posted December 25, 2021 17 hours ago, Monkey Tennis said: Agreed. It's all a bit silly, and desperate sounding. What are the 'official' other ones anyway? Perth, Inverness, Stirling? I'm genuinely not sure. I suppose that proves the point that conferring city status changes nothing about how such places are regarded. What's so wrong about being a town anyway? Luton Town, Huddersfield Town, Shrewsbury Town etc are football clubs in England. In Scotland we have Johnstone Burgh as Burgh was the official Scottish term for a town. There was to my knowledge one club called "town" in Scotland- the short lived Dunbar Town 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkey Tennis Posted December 25, 2021 Share Posted December 25, 2021 1 hour ago, tamthebam said: Luton Town, Huddersfield Town, Shrewsbury Town etc are football clubs in England. In Scotland we have Johnstone Burgh as Burgh was the official Scottish term for a town. There was to my knowledge one club called "town" in Scotland- the short lived Dunbar Town Am I right in saying that someone, Swansea maybe, switched their name from 'Town' to 'City' at some point. I always think the strangest such name involves the word 'County' being attached to Stockport. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AUcal Posted December 25, 2021 Share Posted December 25, 2021 Can't make sense of the "South Ayrshire" one. If they were talking about the Ayr/Prestwick/maybe Troon? conurbation then aye maybe. But the region? Very daft. Will probably go to St Andrews. Not sure why city status is such a big thing and why there is such a clamour for it. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MacDonald Jardine Posted December 25, 2021 Share Posted December 25, 2021 40 minutes ago, Monkey Tennis said: Am I right in saying that someone, Swansea maybe, switched their name from 'Town' to 'City' at some point. I always think the strangest such name involves the word 'County' being attached to Stockport. I think they were different clubs. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hedgecutter Posted December 25, 2021 Share Posted December 25, 2021 Much like European City of Culture, the place judged to be the most in need of 'regeneration' will probably get it. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arch Stanton Posted December 25, 2021 Share Posted December 25, 2021 (edited) 3 hours ago, MacDonald Jardine said: I think they were different clubs. They're not. Swansea Town did indeed change their name to Swansea City. Edited December 25, 2021 by Arch Stanton 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
topcat(The most tip top) Posted December 25, 2021 Share Posted December 25, 2021 Luton Town, Huddersfield Town, Shrewsbury Town etc are football clubs in England. In Scotland we have Johnstone Burgh as Burgh was the official Scottish term for a town. There was to my knowledge one club called "town" in Scotland- the short lived Dunbar TownThe team in Perth take their name from it beingsaint john’s townTechnically they should have done a Swansea and rebranded as St Johnscity by now 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hedgecutter Posted December 26, 2021 Share Posted December 26, 2021 Elgin is set to host a Vengaboys gig early next year. Would a mere town be able attract a world famous headline act? https://www.northern-scot.co.uk/news/vengaboys-scheduled-to-play-gig-in-elgin-252183/ 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raven Posted December 26, 2021 Share Posted December 26, 2021 1 hour ago, Hedgecutter said: Elgin is set to host a Vengaboys gig early next year. Would a mere town be able attract a world famous headline act? https://www.northern-scot.co.uk/news/vengaboys-scheduled-to-play-gig-in-elgin-252183/ They're playing at Bognor Regis and Skegness, so if the criteria for being a city is now 'having a Butlins' then Ayr may have blown it's chances. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
topcat(The most tip top) Posted December 26, 2021 Share Posted December 26, 2021 They're playing at Bognor Regis and Skegness, so if the criteria for being a city is now 'having a Butlins' then Ayr may have blown it's chances.They’re also playing Rome, Mexico City and err… Motherwell 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Connor1874 Posted December 29, 2021 Share Posted December 29, 2021 On 24/12/2021 at 16:29, Monkey Tennis said: Agreed. It's all a bit silly, and desperate sounding. What are the 'official' other ones anyway? Perth, Inverness, Stirling? I'm genuinely not sure. I suppose that proves the point that conferring city status changes nothing about how such places are regarded. What's so wrong about being a town anyway? I saw the wee place in Cornwall on the news last week that have gone for it. When I say wee place, I mean wee place. They reckon granting city status boosts tourism. I think more than a token name of 'city' is required to truly boost tourism in a given place. Perth was granted city status in 2012, I can't imagine it's a real hotbed for visitors a decade on. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tree house tam Posted December 29, 2021 Share Posted December 29, 2021 On 25/12/2021 at 16:08, topcat(The most tip top) said: The team in Perth take their name from it being saint john’s town Technically they should have done a Swansea and rebranded as St Johnscity by now St John's toun, although it was never actually named it, it was what it was colloquially called. 16 hours ago, Connor1874 said: I saw the wee place in Cornwall on the news last week that have gone for it. When I say wee place, I mean wee place. They reckon granting city status boosts tourism. I think more than a token name of 'city' is required to truly boost tourism in a given place. Perth was granted city status in 2012, I can't imagine it's a real hotbed for visitors a decade on. It's all about money, City status grants you more cash from the local pot so I've been told. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melanius Mullarkey Posted December 29, 2021 Share Posted December 29, 2021 On 26/12/2021 at 12:24, Hedgecutter said: Elgin is set to host a Vengaboys gig early next year. Would a mere town be able attract a world famous headline act? https://www.northern-scot.co.uk/news/vengaboys-scheduled-to-play-gig-in-elgin-252183/ I mean, the Cooper Park is effectively Worthy Farm so the appeal is clear. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
topcat(The most tip top) Posted December 29, 2021 Share Posted December 29, 2021 I saw the wee place in Cornwall on the news last week that have gone for it. When I say wee place, I mean wee place. They reckon granting city status boosts tourism. I think more than a token name of 'city' is required to truly boost tourism in a given place. Perth was granted city status in 2012, I can't imagine it's a real hotbed for visitors a decade on.I’ve been there it’s is a small village just outside Penzance. Penzance itself is smaller than Elgin but Marazion is more like Fochabers. A Penzance bid might make a little bit of sense on the “it’s not much of a place but it’s a long way from any proper city” principle but the Marazion bid is just a publicity stunt.George Town, Cayman Islands on the other hand is capital of a tax haven and so, with the current government, has to be in with a shout 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DG.Roma Posted December 30, 2021 Share Posted December 30, 2021 On 24/12/2021 at 15:15, Dunfermline Don said: I get the old ‘having a Cathedral’ thing in the past but a city should have a certain population to qualify these days. On 24/12/2021 at 15:18, TheScarf said: I always think of it as any settlement with a population of under 100,000 has a hard neck calling itself a city. So that would just be the 4 cities you mention. I think it should be like the hotel stars system - as well as capacity (population) you need certain facilities to qualify for consideration of city status. Swimming pool, football team (other sports may grudgingly be accepted) museum, train station, gig venue/theatre, cinema. Dumfries doesn't even have a proper cinema and should be disqualified. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vikingTON Posted December 30, 2021 Share Posted December 30, 2021 2 hours ago, DG.Roma said: I think it should be like the hotel stars system - as well as capacity (population) you need certain facilities to qualify for consideration of city status. Swimming pool, SPFL football team (other sports may not be accepted) museum, train station, gig venue/theatre, cinema. Dumfries doesn't even have a proper cinema and should be disqualified. FTFY As Greenock also has an outdoor swimming pool situated in stunning, fjord-like surroundings and more train stations than any settlement outside of Glasgow/Edinburgh, it should clearly be promoted to third city status ahead of pointless dumps like 'Aberdeen'. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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