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7 hours ago, Arch Stanton said:

We would have to win our last 3 games (incl. Denmark at home) for a total of 23 points and hope that Denmark do no better than one draw from their other 2 games for a max of 22.

Unlikely.

I think someone pointed out that the play-off places are seeded.

In that case, it would be handy (assuming that we beat The Faroes and Moldova....I know, I know....) to take something from Denmark. 

 

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Just now, No_Problemo said:

I know the quote your talking about, and to be fair I don’t think that is the context he meant it in. It was in response to Austria labelling us a long ball team. Clark wasn’t happy with the first half tonight, he definitely didn’t want us to play like that. 
 

Ultimately Israel scored from two soft set pieces, and bar that had one chance. 
 

I completely agree we can be better, let’s hope we see it! 

It was way before the Austria game, I cant find it 🤷‍♂️ so I cant remember the context. Always found it a bit concerning tho.

I would imagine clarke is analysing the first half and hopefully making those changes going forward. So its ok for us to do this also, as well as enjoy the positive side.

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Pretty sure the games v Moldova won’t count for seeding in the playoffs (though will obviously count for ensuring we actually get second place).

Might take a look through the remaining groups today and see where we stand - from the ten groups, the top six teams are seeded and the bottom four + 2 Nations League qualifiers are not seeded. My recollection is that we’re right on the edge of seeding, so a good showing (and a good few goals) against the Faroes might matter.

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1 minute ago, BingMcCrosby said:

It was way before the Austria game, I cant find it 🤷‍♂️ so I cant remember the context. Always found it a bit concerning tho.

I would imagine clarke is analysing the first half and hopefully making those changes going forward. So its ok for us to do this also, as well as enjoy the positive side.

As happened with the Czechs and Croats, we really struggle against the movement of decent attacking players. 

The win was well deserved last night, but I'm sure that Clarke realises that a 90 minute performance like that isn't going to be good enough going forward. 

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52 minutes ago, No_Problemo said:

If you can watch that game and think Billy Gilmour isn’t incredibly special, then football isn’t for you. 
 

If you can watch that game and offer criticism after it, again football isn’t for you. 

Spot on. That was the pinnacle of footballing entertainment. 

Of course there were mistakes, but they are all human beings, and if we produced a faultless display then that would take a bit of the excitement out of the game. I'll take multiple errors every game if it results in that spectacle!

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2 minutes ago, Bob Mahelp said:

As happened with the Czechs and Croats, we really struggle against the movement of decent attacking players. 

The win was well deserved last night, but I'm sure that Clarke realises that a 90 minute performance like that isn't going to be good enough going forward. 

Israel have good players going forward, and in open play created one singular chance. I’m not sure how we struggled with their attacking movement. Craig Gordon had no saves of note, in fact he only had one save. 

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Just about caught my breath after that.

That atmosphere at the end was incredible. Hampden does have its problems but when it's full and moments like that happen it is special.

First half was rotten from our perspective but to turn it round like that shows the fight and character in that squad. Gilmour and his willingness to get on the ball is something I've not seen in my lifetime watching us. 

What a night!

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Just now, No_Problemo said:

Israel have good players going forward, and in open play created one singular chance. I’m not sure how we struggled with their attacking movement. Craig Gordon had no saves of note, in fact he only had one save. 

Both their goals came from stupid challenges made by defenders that were out of position and forced into lunging for the ball because they were beaten. 

The chance they missed with the header was just ridiculously bad defending. 

Do you think that Scotland defended confidently and well last night, especially in the first half ? 

I'm as delighted as anybody with the result, but to get to the level that we want to be at....actually competing in tournaments and not just being happy to get there.... we need to learn to defend better as a team. 

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7 minutes ago, Bob Mahelp said:

Both their goals came from stupid challenges made by defenders that were out of position and forced into lunging for the ball because they were beaten. 

The chance they missed with the header was just ridiculously bad defending. 

Do you think that Scotland defended confidently and well last night, especially in the first half ? 

I'm as delighted as anybody with the result, but to get to the level that we want to be at....actually competing in tournaments and not just being happy to get there.... we need to learn to defend better as a team. 

Aye well one step at a time. 

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Speaking to folk today it's mad the different perspectives you get from being at the game vs TV viewers. I thought Hendry was colossal but others think he was dreadful. Robertson IMO was fairly average but apparently brilliant. I think McSauce and Patterson were brutal all game though, the latter is so naive, he plays the game like it's an U19's game. Waits and waits for the obvious pass then when it arrives he doesn't seem to spot the fact the opposition can see it. The Dykes pen - I didn't watch it at the game but it really is horrific. I love him but that really is not good enough. 

Now the complaining is out the way, the second half was brilliant. One of my pals complaining about Scotland having no bottle at HT, so that was delightful to see. Usually it's the West/North that are absolutely bouncing but G7 in the East was class yesterday, great atmosphere. 

Time to sober up. 

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3 minutes ago, accies1874 said:

Did anyone else notice that it looked for all the world that McLean was coming on at half-time? I wonder what happened to change that.

He had some emergency Mayor duties to do.

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40 minutes ago, G51 said:

Pretty sure the games v Moldova won’t count for seeding in the playoffs (though will obviously count for ensuring we actually get second place).

Might take a look through the remaining groups today and see where we stand - from the ten groups, the top six teams are seeded and the bottom four + 2 Nations League qualifiers are not seeded. My recollection is that we’re right on the edge of seeding, so a good showing (and a good few goals) against the Faroes might matter.

Yep as long as Moldova don't manage to overtake the Faroes we should be ok for 2nd without winning there and it won't harm our play-off ranking (provided Israel don't win their last three games!)

The way it's shaping up to get a seeding I think we might need to take something from the Danes unfortunately. 

 

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Been going to Hampden since 1973 and as much as Scotland can break your heart, it is games like these that keep you going back.

Big shout out to the team for keeping at it right to the end.  Big shout to the fans as well.  You could almost feel them suck that 3rd goal into the back of the net and the absolute carnage that followed will give Prof. Jason Leitch sleepless nights about a Covid spike.

Have to say we experienced no issues getting into the ground and the rain kept away for the most part which was nice.  Another shout out the staff at The Beechwood pub, they kept the troops fed and watered and it was a real party atmosphere both before and after.  We wil certainly be back.

 

 

 

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