The Rangers 2012 v Celtic

[KnightswoodBear]

3 hours ago, wastecoatwilly said:

Kyogo should've had a pen

Wait. What? 

[Jinky67]

3 hours ago, Mr. Alli said:

Mental that this amazing Celtic team has played four games and lost two of them. 

As did Wim Jansens.

 

[G51]

2 minutes ago, Jinky67 said:

It’s a good point however but to be able to do that we also have to have players on the bench capable of making that impact or to change the shape. 

Do we have that just now? Well if you look at who we brought on in Soro, Rogic and Montgomery you would have to say just now we don’t. 

To some extent yes, but shape changes don’t always need to come from personnel changes. There was nothing stopping Postecoglou from, for example, switching to a diamond with Furuhashi and Edouard up top to give him an extra man in midfield and one striker dropping short/one playing on the shoulder to stress the Rangers defence.

Also, the Rangers 4-3-3 has been figured out by good teams for a while now. You overload down one side then switch the play quickly to the other side. It leaves the full backs on an island and the midfielders can’t cover quick enough. I saw none of that from Celtic today, so either they haven’t worked that out yet or it doesn’t fit into the way Postecoglou wants to play.

The evidence of Postecoglou’s career to date indicates that he’s dogmatic to a fault, and this has been fine because he’s operated in smaller, more competitive leagues where losses weren’t disasters.

[Jinky67]

12 minutes ago, G51 said:

To some extent yes, but shape changes don’t always need to come from personnel changes. There was nothing stopping Postecoglou from, for example, switching to a diamond with Furuhashi and Edouard up top to give him an extra man in midfield and one striker dropping short/one playing on the shoulder to stress the Rangers defence.

Also, the Rangers 4-3-3 has been figured out by good teams for a while now. You overload down one side then switch the play quickly to the other side. It leaves the full backs on an island and the midfielders can’t cover quick enough. I saw none of that from Celtic today, so either they haven’t worked that out yet or it doesn’t fit into the way Postecoglou wants to play.

The evidence of Postecoglou’s career to date indicates that he’s dogmatic to a fault, and this has been fine because he’s operated in smaller, more competitive leagues where losses weren’t disasters.

Ultimately time will tell. Today I don’t think the shape of the team was particularly the issue, personnel was in terms of poor decisions at key moments I.e. Whatever Edouard did to fluff his shot, Kyogo not squaring to Christie, then Kyogo squaring to Christie and us allowing Helander a free run for the goal. 

Make better decisions in every one of those moments and we get a result maybe not the win but we get a result

 

Edited August 29, 2021 by Jinky67

[Henrik's tongue]

17 minutes ago, KnightswoodBear said:

Wait. What? 

He was getting hounded for autographs.

[Derry Alli]

16 minutes ago, Jinky67 said:

As did Wim Jansens.

Was Jansens team built up on a pedestal like this current crop are/were? 

[Jinky67]

12 minutes ago, Mr. Alli said:

Was Jansens team built up on a pedestal like this current crop are/were? 

Who is putting them on a pedestal?

[Derry Alli]

1 minute ago, Jinky67 said:

Who is putting them on a pedestal?

Well nobody now they were quite easily swatted aside yesterday. Before the game, a lot of the media and Celtic fans. You only have to look at the minter saying that is "Angeball". 

[Drew Brees]

1 hour ago, G51 said:

 

Consequently, Celtic are unlikely to get much better over the season. Rangers aren’t likely to get much worse. So Celtic being unable to win today is probably much more of a problem for them than it initially appears.t.

Disagree mate, add forrest, julien and McCarthy to that team, plus replacements for ineffective c***s like Christie and Edouard, that could easily be 4/5 changes to a decent team. Plus ange admitted he made a mistake in playing kyogo out wide so I doubt we’ll see that again. Could mean looking at bringing a winger too. I doubt we’ll see Celtic as bad as we were today. 

[Jinky67]

23 minutes ago, Mr. Alli said:

Well nobody now they were quite easily swatted aside yesterday. Before the game, a lot of the media and Celtic fans. You only have to look at the minter saying that is "Angeball". 

In the same way Motherwell easily swatted aside Dundee on Saturday?

Edited August 29, 2021 by Jinky67

[Derry Alli]

23 minutes ago, Jinky67 said:

Who is putting them on a pedestal?

 

2 minutes ago, Drew Brees said:

I doubt we’ll see Celtic as bad as we were today. 

 

[Drew Brees]

4 minutes ago, Mr. Alli said:

 

 

 Not really the same is it? 

[Drew Brees]

Less than a month ago, after losing to migtylsnd (sp) and the opener at hearts, I thought we’d get hammered today, We didn’t, we’re not that far away at all. My annoyance is that rangers tactic of pushing up, playing for fouls/corners, and whipping in dangerous balls on top of our midget defence paid off like it always does. It's the same basic tactic and it's a disgrace we can't stop it. 

Edited August 29, 2021 by Drew Brees

[Theroadlesstravelled]

6 hours ago, The_Kincardine said:

 

Two of Mr Spooner's shining wits bemoaning the lack of patter, eh?

 

Noted. I’ll up my game for the next XXL derby and bring some sectarian slurs.

[Acastus]

Just saw sportscene highlights. Big Jake Paul played well in goal for Rangers..

[gannonball]

tough result against the Glasgow Bangers

[Greenlantern]

Credit where credit’s due, rangers did what rangers do best yesterday.
Quite sure more work at Lennoxtown on defending set-pieces will be high on Ange’s list of to-do’s.
On the game, we had the best of the first half and looked more likely to go in at halftime with a goal.
I thought we left it a bit late in the day to change things round.
It’s a stark reminder to this team, the manager and fans that we’re not quite there yet.
Not too surprised by the result, but already signs that Celtic won’t capitulate like they did last season.

[wastecoatwilly]

9 hours ago, KnightswoodBear said:

Wait. What? 

There was two penalty shouts,first one Balogun on the deck hits his arm stopping Kyogo getting his shot away,second one straight after sevco score Kyogo is played through by Ralston,he takes it passed McCrorie and McCrorie takes him clean out stonewall-er,maybe you were still celebrating just like the ref.

[Insert Amusing Pseudonym]

7 minutes ago, wastecoatwilly said:

There was two penalty shouts,first one Balogun on the deck hits his arm stopping Kyogo getting his shot away,second one straight after sevco score Kyogo is played through by Ralston,he takes it passed McCrorie and McCrorie takes him clean out stonewall-er,maybe you were still celebrating just like the ref.

Neither of them were remotely close to being penalties

[Forever_blueco]

A role reversal of the circumstances way back in gerrards first old firm game 

we had just qualified for Europe and had a bit of that new managers swagger and genuinely fancied our Chances to take something at parkhead for the first time in years