Keyham shootings

[Granny Danger]

Just now, Boo Khaki said:

Come on. It's Morningside, obviously double barrelled.

 Agnes Hitler-Davidson.

Apt for this thread!

[Qos91]

Once someone has a shotgun licence, they can own as many shotguns as they like, whether that be a double barrel over & under or a pump action upto 3 shots. The pump actions are usually used for shooting geese or ducks, etc.

Firearms (rifles, etc) are a good bit stricter and you need to give a reason for each gun you buy.

[ICTJohnboy]

 

https://www.pellpax.co.uk/rifles-and-shotguns/shotguns/pump-action-shotguns

 

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^{Pump action shotguns are the fastest loading type of shotgun, making them great fun, and easy to use. The design is also highly durable, with each shot being reloaded by the action of the underside slide.}

 

Edited August 14, 2021 by ICTJohnboy

[Boo Khaki]

Don't know about you, but when I'm about to embark on a murderous rampage, I definitely select my murder weapon of choice by how much fun it is to use.

[Paul Kersey]

51 minutes ago, Shandon Par said:

Saddam Hussein used to like watching Scottish football on Sky. 

Clyde fan IMO 

[ICTJohnboy]

https://www.pellpax.co.uk/rifles-and-shotguns/shotguns/pump-action-shotguns/armsan-rsx1-pump-action-shotgun-12g/21862

 

And they can deliver to Scotland. Just email them a copy of your license. How difficult would it be to forge that?

[superbigal]

Could be the server rather than the customer in some neighbourhoods

[btb]

Just now, Paul Kersey said:

Clyde fan IMO 

Unfortunate username for this thread.

[Qos91]

https://www.pellpax.co.uk/rifles-and-shotguns/shotguns/pump-action-shotguns/armsan-rsx1-pump-action-shotgun-12g/21862
 
And they can deliver to Scotland. Just email them a copy of your license. How difficult would it be to forge that?

They still need to be sent to a registered firearms dealer. You cant get a gun delivered to your house.
I doubt you could forge a licence as every time you buy a gun, the police are notified by both the dealer and the buyer.

[Gordon EF]

Surely the problem is it's pretty easy to say "Oh aye, he was a bit weird, not surprised he's ended up doing something like this". It's far, far more difficult to predict who will and won't do things like this before they do it.

No need for guns, let alone guns like that outside of incredibly specific situations. If the laws still allow some random nutter to own a shotgun then it's mental to ask the police to monitor their social media incase they post anything a bit mental. You don't need that many folk with guns before that becomes an enormous undertaking. Of course, it still wouldn't stop things like this if the person decides to post their shite anywhere other than the facebook page the police know about.

[Mark Connolly]

3 minutes ago, Gordon EF said:

Surely the problem is it's pretty easy to say "Oh aye, he was a bit weird, not surprised he's ended up doing something like this". It's far, far more difficult to predict who will and won't do things like this before they do it.

No need for guns, let alone guns like that outside of incredibly specific situations. If the laws still allow some random nutter to own a shotgun then it's mental to ask the police to monitor their social media incase they post anything a bit mental. You don't need that many folk with guns before that becomes an enormous undertaking. Of course, it still wouldn't stop things like this if the person decides to post their shite anywhere other than the facebook page the police know about.

I don't disagree in general, but in this case, he got his licence taken off him, then returned. You'd have thought they might have had a look through his socials during that process...

[Sergeant Wilson]

31 minutes ago, Qos91 said:

Once someone has a shotgun licence, they can own as many shotguns as they like, whether that be a double barrel over & under or a pump action upto 3 shots. The pump actions are usually used for shooting geese or ducks, etc.

Firearms (rifles, etc) are a good bit stricter and you need to give a reason for each gun you buy.
 

^^^

[J_Stewart]

We need to assemble a team of the ugliest shaggers on the internet to convince incels that they can get their hole. We can get everyone who’s said “pics or GTFO” on this forum as a test unit.

It’s been four hours and nobody has said “wid” yet ? Disappointed . 

The Captain has been selected.

[Qos91]

^^^

[emoji38] not quite.

[Sergeant Wilson]

1 minute ago, Qos91 said:

not quite.

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[Mark Connolly]

2 minutes ago, Sergeant Wilson said:

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[ICTChris]

I’ve seen some mental health advocates in the US describe bans in mentally ill people owning firearms as discrimination.

[Gordon EF]

29 minutes ago, Mark Connolly said:

I don't disagree in general, but in this case, he got his licence taken off him, then returned. You'd have thought they might have had a look through his socials during that process...

True but if you leave it up to that kind of process, these things will always happen sooner or later. One will always slip though. Nothing can ever be 100%. Much easier just to say nobody that doesn't need a gun gets a licence.

Edited August 14, 2021 by Gordon EF

[Boo Khaki]

I don't think it's possible to determine fitness or otherwise to hold a firearms licence based on the supposed mental wellbeing of the individual. There are too many factors to take into consideration as well as the complexity of trying to monitor and administrate such a system.

You'd have to classify first of all what constitutes mentally fit or unfit. Do you prohibit anyone with a lifelong diagnosis from holding a certificate, even if that diagnosis is not one normally associated with suicidal or aggressive behaviours? What about people with a diagnosis who have encountered one solitary short-lived episode 40 years ago and absolutely nothing since? Even with situations such as a one-off period of mild clinical depression that was successfully treated, do you then go down the ethically questionable route of assuming that past behaviour is a guarantee of future behaviour? What about a mother who has never encountered any form of mental ill health besides a period of PND after the birth of a child? Is she a potential danger? 

You can never account for the fact that people who have a long history of robust mental wellbeing can become ill and unstable at the drop of a hat. 

The only way to ensure that 'mentally ill' people don't get their hands on firearms is to prevent firearms getting into public domain in the first place. You can't legislate for someone becoming ill.

[101]

3 hours ago, Cptn Hooch said:

That's his rampage being compared to video games....how long before they come out with the story of him listening to slayer and slipknot so those must be the cause?

Not a surprise, usually wheeled out by utter morons who have heard about video games. Because no video game exists where you can brutally murder a child and countless other some of which in their own home before turning the gun on yourself.