The Faceman Posted September 20, 2021 Author Share Posted September 20, 2021 2 minutes ago, Man from the East said: Interesting numbers Faceman; The increase from the current average league attendance is very dramatic and is around the following number Blackburn +240% DUFC +194% LTHV +56% NSFC +93% PAFC +196% Tynie +63% A very stunning increase for every club. The attraction of the Cup certainly draws in the fans. Obviously the novelty of playing in the Scottish has to be factored in for the new guys playing in the tournament, but its still a significant increase any way you look at it. Well done Blackburn for such an increase - if even half these people could be retained - it would be incredible. DUFC had an a very health 500+ in the ground, again, even retaining 25% would lift the normal gate by 100. It demonstrates the potential exists to increase gates. The data faceman is collecting is allowing people - Committees/Authorities/ Sponsors to see the potential in the game. Happy days. I'm just wondering what the effect of a live broadcast from Shielfield Park will be on tonights crowd. Hopefully the fans turnout in similar increases to the above. I do think that at the end of the day hard work and actually promoting games is the key to bringing fans in and match day experience is the way to keep them. Dunbar for example despite all the stuff in pre-season have to be praised. The town knew there was a game on, a big Scottish Cup game. Posters everywhere. They were rewarded with 200 extra fans added from the previous round. Reminded me of Auchinleck Talbot the way they went about it. Credit where it is due. The test will be how many come back for Hillfield on Saturday. I think there is a huge number of potential customers who still aren't aware of or attracted by their local clubs and a fair few clubs missing out on that income. Regarding tonight, 284 was the crowd the last time the teams played. Factors against an increase Monday night (work in the morning) will put a few of the ground hoppers off. £10 gate i think is £3 too high. (Lthv was £6 yesterday) TV will take a few of the maybes away. Form: Gretna have been struggling with many seeing this as a comfortable home win. 20 days since Berwicks last home game Factors for an increase: Competition Scottish Cup Local promotion Berwick get a fair number of younger supporters Easy to get to - good parking. Biggest game for a long time. Anything North of 350-400 would be a fair deal 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy groundhopper Posted September 20, 2021 Share Posted September 20, 2021 Good crowds across the cup games, hopefully some of the fans will stick around and enjoy non league - more passionate and enjoyable than the spfl ! What's a good crowd tonight 3-400 + ? Can't wait to come back to Scotland and boost attendances by 1 (2 wks time) 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Man from the East Posted September 20, 2021 Share Posted September 20, 2021 6 minutes ago, The Faceman said: I do think that at the end of the day hard work and actually promoting games is the key to bringing fans in and match day experience is the way to keep them. Dunbar for example despite all the stuff in pre-season have to be praised. The town knew there was a game on, a big Scottish Cup game. Posters everywhere. They were rewarded with 200 extra fans added from the previous round. Reminded me of Auchinleck Talbot the way they went about it. Credit where it is due. The test will be how many come back for Hillfield on Saturday. I think there is a huge number of potential customers who still aren't aware of or attracted by their local clubs and a fair few clubs missing out on that income. Regarding tonight, 284 was the crowd the last time the teams played. Factors against an increase Monday night (work in the morning) will put a few of the ground hoppers off. £10 gate i think is £3 too high. (Lthv was £6 yesterday) TV will take a few of the maybes away. Form: Gretna have been struggling with many seeing this as a comfortable home win. 20 days since Berwicks last home game Factors for an increase: Competition Scottish Cup Local promotion Berwick get a fair number of younger supporters Easy to get to - good parking. Biggest game for a long time. Anything North of 350-400 would be a fair deal Theres absolutely no denying that hard work is key. Without it, or even a half hearted attempt you're just wasting everyones time. Match experience - agreed its a major factor. Last week Haddington had several kids teams entertaining the crowd - so they reaped the benefit of mums dads and grandparents. On Saturday, Dunbar had Pipers, the ground decorated, a great hospitality event - which could have been even bigger but for a facility issue. Everyone inside the ground certainly knew there was a big event on. No doubt also helped by 100+ posters publicly displayed and then removed after match. The acid test is as you say is the return to normality on Saturday v Swifts. But sadly clubs simply struggle to put the organisation together for a few cup matches - the full 17 league games would be a challenge to promote at that level. At yesterdays LTHV v EU it was hard to realise that anything special or different was taking part. It was run of the mill. Yes, I was surprised at only £6 admission, from what I observed of the cars in the car park,,,,,, it could easily be increased. I didn't notice you in the crowd - but did see one or two coaches!! Berwick are certainly doing a bit of marketing and hospitality packages. Hope all their hard work pays off. I don't think there is any fat TV cheque heading their way. So its really down to what they can do on the night. Cant see more than a couple of dozen worthies making the long trek from Gretna - as you say the TV only needs switched on. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Faceman Posted September 20, 2021 Author Share Posted September 20, 2021 1 hour ago, Man from the East said: Theres absolutely no denying that hard work is key. Without it, or even a half hearted attempt you're just wasting everyones time. Match experience - agreed its a major factor. Last week Haddington had several kids teams entertaining the crowd - so they reaped the benefit of mums dads and grandparents. On Saturday, Dunbar had Pipers, the ground decorated, a great hospitality event - which could have been even bigger but for a facility issue. Everyone inside the ground certainly knew there was a big event on. No doubt also helped by 100+ posters publicly displayed and then removed after match. The acid test is as you say is the return to normality on Saturday v Swifts. But sadly clubs simply struggle to put the organisation together for a few cup matches - the full 17 league games would be a challenge to promote at that level. At yesterdays LTHV v EU it was hard to realise that anything special or different was taking part. It was run of the mill. Yes, I was surprised at only £6 admission, from what I observed of the cars in the car park,,,,,, it could easily be increased. I didn't notice you in the crowd - but did see one or two coaches!! Berwick are certainly doing a bit of marketing and hospitality packages. Hope all their hard work pays off. I don't think there is any fat TV cheque heading their way. So its really down to what they can do on the night. Cant see more than a couple of dozen worthies making the long trek from Gretna - as you say the TV only needs switched on. In terms of Berwick your absolutely right. I think its £1.5k for the visitors plus something for a bus I'm sure that's what was going on last season. Not sure about the home team tbh. Credit to the clubs you mention there is a clear work plan plus programmes pipe bands etc raising the bar and marking the occasion The thing is that small things like social media are not difficult to do. Posters in shops are easier with pretty set fixture lists. Some of the club committee sizes i would expect more from but certainly clubs heading in right direction 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
12 Angry Men Posted September 20, 2021 Share Posted September 20, 2021 Interesting numbers Faceman; The increase from the current average league attendance is very dramatic and is around the following number Blackburn +240% Dunbar +194% LTHV +56% Newtongrange +93% Penicuik +196% Tynecastle +63%Well done Blackburn for such an increase - if even half these people could be retained - it would be incredible.Like Dunbar seem to have done, Blackburn too appear to have marketed their tie very well around the town with posters appearing in many shop windows and in other business premises. The impressive turn out of 300 against Rothes will have been helped no end by the efforts there and the big push that was also evident on social media. Repeating this might be the difficult part as many shopkeepers may be happy to publicise big events but may not be so keen to do so on a weekly basis…..and do the club have people willing or able to trudge around town doing the necessary in the week before every home game? It would be great if they did and it resulted in even a fraction of that extra 240% turning up on a regular basis.Looking at Faceman’s figures, I’d imagine that Blackburn will be pretty disappointed to have by far the smallest average home crowd in the EoSFL Premier Division when you consider the big and successful community club set up behind them - where are all the parents when it comes to supporting the ‘big team’ that their son may end up playing for one day? - but the decent turn out on Saturday, albeit for a big cup tie, surely gives hope that there are people out there who can be enticed.p.s. according to the live coverage on BBC Scotland there was over 600 at Shielfield tonight for Berwick Rangers v Gretna, so pretty impressive there too. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Faceman Posted September 21, 2021 Author Share Posted September 21, 2021 Just the 3 f's to get 39/42 Scottish Cup attendances. 11,002 overall the 39 declared so far. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedLichty Posted September 21, 2021 Share Posted September 21, 2021 15 hours ago, The Faceman said: In terms of Berwick your absolutely right. I think its £1.5k for the visitors plus something for a bus I'm sure that's what was going on last season. Not sure about the home team tbh. Credit to the clubs you mention there is a clear work plan plus programmes pipe bands etc raising the bar and marking the occasion The thing is that small things like social media are not difficult to do. Posters in shops are easier with pretty set fixture lists. Some of the club committee sizes i would expect more from but certainly clubs heading in right direction Well done to Blackburn, Dunbar and the others! I follow Dunbar online and their website and social media is a class apart, good to hear it's backed with traditional advertising in their town as well. I like their manager and assistant taking to social media with updates and their highlights are also very well done... I watched the Berwick game last night too, great BBC coverage. It's good to see clubs learning from each other and raising the bar - it would be good, for all, if every club had a good support as a percentage travels. I enjoyed the Penicuik vs Tranent game at the weekend, a huge crowd... albeit both are typically well backed. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carmel Wafer Posted September 21, 2021 Share Posted September 21, 2021 (edited) 17 hours ago, The Faceman said: I think there is a huge number of potential customers who still aren't aware of or attracted by their local clubs and a fair few clubs missing out on that income. £10 gate i think is £3 too high. (Lthv was £6 yesterday) I assume most teams do programmes too. while Hutchie was £6 the programme was 2. I suspect most adults will fork out the extra 2 quid. I know they were sold out on Sunday. While there’s some generic stuff in it there’s adverts from their sponsors and some one off articles so at £2 a decent way to get a little more money in. Edited September 21, 2021 by Carmel Wafer 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Faceman Posted September 22, 2021 Author Share Posted September 22, 2021 Last nights attendances for those not on twitter 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Faceman Posted September 22, 2021 Author Share Posted September 22, 2021 Attendances: East of Scotland Prem, Division 1 A, B, X Alex Jack, EOS Qualifying, South Challenge, Scots Cup & King Cup We have 419/421 attendances - 53,476 have attended. Lowland League 83/101 - 19,158 have attended. @EastScotlandFA & @OfficialSLFL 502/522 games: 72,634 crowd 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malty Guy Posted September 23, 2021 Share Posted September 23, 2021 On 20/09/2021 at 18:40, The Faceman said: I do think that at the end of the day hard work and actually promoting games is the key to bringing fans in and match day experience is the way to keep them. Dunbar for example despite all the stuff in pre-season have to be praised. The town knew there was a game on, a big Scottish Cup game. Posters everywhere. They were rewarded with 200 extra fans added from the previous round. Reminded me of Auchinleck Talbot the way they went about it. Credit where it is due. The test will be how many come back for Hillfield on Saturday. I think there is a huge number of potential customers who still aren't aware of or attracted by their local clubs and a fair few clubs missing out on that income. Regarding tonight, 284 was the crowd the last time the teams played. Factors against an increase Monday night (work in the morning) will put a few of the ground hoppers off. £10 gate i think is £3 too high. (Lthv was £6 yesterday) TV will take a few of the maybes away. Form: Gretna have been struggling with many seeing this as a comfortable home win. 20 days since Berwicks last home game Factors for an increase: Competition Scottish Cup Local promotion Berwick get a fair number of younger supporters Easy to get to - good parking. Biggest game for a long time. Anything North of 350-400 would be a fair deal Don't know what you mean or infer 'Dunbar for example despite all the stuff in pre-season' and I know that you don't know, 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Faceman Posted September 24, 2021 Author Share Posted September 24, 2021 9 hours ago, Malty Guy said: Don't know what you mean or infer 'Dunbar for example despite all the stuff in pre-season' and I know that you don't know, 'All the stuff in pre-season' I really don't want to go back to it as I made my view (as did plenty of others) to them the time. The point i was making was that I was critical of them for what can only be described as...... the worst way the club has ever acted in its nearly 100 years in existence, but the work the volunteers and committee have done on promotion of games and other areas deserved a bit of praise. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Man from the East Posted September 24, 2021 Share Posted September 24, 2021 14 hours ago, The Faceman said: 'All the stuff in pre-season' I really don't want to go back to it as I made my view (as did plenty of others) to them the time. The point i was making was that I was critical of them for what can only be described as...... the worst way the club has ever acted in its nearly 100 years in existence, but the work the volunteers and committee have done on promotion of games and other areas deserved a bit of praise. keep digging the hole,, it just gets bigger 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Another Edin Doonhamer Posted September 24, 2021 Share Posted September 24, 2021 Bo'ness Athletic 4 Armadale Thistle 3 tonight. Great game. Headcount of 226. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Casey Jones Posted September 24, 2021 Share Posted September 24, 2021 1 hour ago, Another Edin Doonhamer said: Bo'ness Athletic 4 Armadale Thistle 3 tonight. Great game. Headcount of 226. 99 short of what the club stated. Sounds a great match looking at that score 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Faceman Posted September 25, 2021 Author Share Posted September 25, 2021 10 hours ago, Man from the East said: keep digging the hole,, it just gets bigger What part of the post do you disagree with? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Faceman Posted September 25, 2021 Author Share Posted September 25, 2021 8 hours ago, Casey Jones said: 99 short of what the club stated. Sounds a great match looking at that score Was impressed with Armadale especially after losing an early goal. Very direct but that is clearly something they worked on with some of the passing outstanding Boness played some great football at times missing their top scorer but a team full of pace and goals they are On another night it finishes 7-7 the number of chances and last ditch defending made this a good watch Conditions were difficult with driving rain and wind at times. The crowd factor possibly a issue as everyone kept moving under cover. I got 330 the club issued 325 and someone at the other side of the ground got 267. Good travelling support no doubt about that 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Man from the East Posted September 25, 2021 Share Posted September 25, 2021 7 minutes ago, The Faceman said: What part of the post do you disagree with? 8 minutes ago, The Faceman said: What part of the post do you disagree with? Easier to say the bit of it thats true; I and very many others agree that great things are happening. As confirmed by YOUR attendance stats. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Another Edin Doonhamer Posted September 25, 2021 Share Posted September 25, 2021 I see Bo'ness Athletic twitter states the attendance was 325, I did a complete walk around from behind the away dugout to behind the home dugout, couting everyone including all the kids. It may not be completely accurate, but I would reckon any error would be in single figures, and certainly not 100!!! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Faceman Posted September 25, 2021 Author Share Posted September 25, 2021 For those not on Twitter following a good idea posted to me. Here are the top 3 average attendances in the East of Scotland League up to 23/9/21 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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