Your Club's Manager, As A Player

[The_Kincardine]

10 minutes ago, gannonball said:

For some reason the first thing that comes to my mind about Van Bronckhorst in Scotland is that for a good while Amoruso used to take free kicks instead of him. How that was allowed to go on for so long was absolutely baffling.

 

1 minute ago, G51 said:

Used to absolutely infuriate my old man whenever Amoruso strolled up to take a free kick. His rage was almost always justified.

Amo once hit a howitzer which almost burst the net.

Never repeated it, sadly.

[The_Kincardine]

1 hour ago, gannonball said:

For some reason the first thing that comes to my mind about Van Bronckhorst in Scotland is that for a good while Amoruso used to take free kicks instead of him. How that was allowed to go on for so long was absolutely baffling.

 

1 hour ago, G51 said:

Used to absolutely infuriate my old man whenever Amoruso strolled up to take a free kick. His rage was almost always justified.

One of the blokes who runs one the UEFA twitter account obviously reads P&B.  He just posted this:

 

[G51]

2 minutes ago, The_Kincardine said:

 

One of the blokes who runs one the UEFA twitter account obviously reads P&B.  He just posted this:

 

Swear Amoruso tried to replicate that exact style of free kick, and every time he did he knocked out someone in the crowd.

[The_Kincardine]

7 minutes ago, G51 said:

Swear Amoruso tried to replicate that exact style of free kick, and every time he did he knocked out someone in the crowd.

Only on good days.

Takes some strike to hit a ball over either the Copland or the Broomy but Big Amo was the man for the job...

Edited November 18, 2021 by The_Kincardine

[G51]

1 minute ago, The_Kincardine said:

Only on good days.

Aye, true. 

He's the reason we had to replace the cladding 10 years ahead of schedule.

[The_Kincardine]

4 minutes ago, G51 said:

Aye, true. 

He's the reason we had to replace the cladding 10 years ahead of schedule.

So come on, big chap, as the footballing scholar of the P&B Bears what's your take on the Oranje Revolution at Ibrox?

[G51]

5 minutes ago, The_Kincardine said:

So come on, big chap, as the footballing scholar of the P&B Bears what's your take on the Oranje Revolution at Ibrox?

Positives:

Ross Wilson was allowed to do his job and didn't have one of the Parks, John Bennett or Stuart Gibson overruling him. That's important because directors can get a wee bit trigger happy, so credit to them for trusting the process and letting it play out.

It's going to be pretty much the same style of play that we're used to and we've built the squad for. I expect that a lot of the control and positives that we enjoyed under Gerrard will be maintained.

Should hopefully see more out of the forwards than we have recently - I think this style of play will be really good for Ryan Kent and Ianis Hagi. Also think you'll see more goals from midfield than we ever did under Gerrard, and better attacking play in general. GVB won't be afraid to throw numbers forward to break a low block, which leads to...

Negatives:

I think we'll be worse defensively than we were under Gerrard - more susceptible to counter attacks as he won't be as dogmatic about shape as the previous management team were.

Still to see who in that backroom team is replacing Beale, though obviously I know next to nothing about them yet. But none really jump out as tactical experts. Also need a set piece specialist because we don't currently have one and none have been rumoured.

Ultimately though, this signals the beginning of a transitional period for us. The squad will have reached the end of its shelf-life by the summer, and we'll probably see a lot of big names and characters (Davis, McGregor, Goldson, Arfield, Morelos, Kent) leave. So I'm expecting no or limited business in January and a shedload in the summer. His success will likely be defined by the business done then, because until then all he has to do is beat an obese Australian with no squad depth.

But this appointment is what it's supposed to look like when you have a Sporting Director - the manager becomes plug-and-play, the system doesn't really change and continuity is maintained. Wilson comes out of this looking pretty good regardless of how GVB fares as manager, because the process and logic are spot on. I predict that much of what made Gerrard's teams good will still be recognisable under GVB, and much of what made them vulnerable will also still be there. At least until the summer, anyway.

[The_Kincardine]

7 minutes ago, G51 said:

Positives:

Ross Wilson was allowed to do his job and didn't have one of the Parks, John Bennett or Stuart Gibson overruling him. That's important because directors can get a wee bit trigger happy, so credit to them for trusting the process and letting it play out.

It's going to be pretty much the same style of play that we're used to and we've built the squad for. I expect that a lot of the control and positives that we enjoyed under Gerrard will be maintained.

Should hopefully see more out of the forwards than we have recently - I think this style of play will be really good for Ryan Kent and Ianis Hagi. Also think you'll see more goals from midfield than we ever did under Gerrard, and better attacking play in general. GVB won't be afraid to throw numbers forward to break a low block, which leads to...

Negatives:

I think we'll be worse defensively than we were under Gerrard - more susceptible to counter attacks as he won't be as dogmatic about shape as the previous management team were.

Still to see who in that backroom team is replacing Beale, though obviously I know next to nothing about them yet. But none really jump out as tactical experts. Also need a set piece specialist because we don't currently have one and none have been rumoured.

Ultimately though, this signals the beginning of a transitional period for us. The squad will have reached the end of its shelf-life by the summer, and we'll probably see a lot of big names and characters (Davis, McGregor, Goldson, Arfield, Morelos, Kent) leave. So I'm expecting no or limited business in January and a shedload in the summer. His success will likely be defined by the business done then, because until then all he has to do is beat an obese Australian with no squad depth.

But this appointment is what it's supposed to look like when you have a Sporting Director - the manager becomes plug-and-play, the system doesn't really change and continuity is maintained. Wilson comes out of this looking pretty good regardless of how GVB fares as manager, because the process and logic are spot on. I predict that much of what made Gerrard's teams good will still be recognisable under GVB, and much of what made them vulnerable will also still be there. At least until the summer, anyway.

Good post and a fair summary.  We've replaced a name with a name within a week and Ross Wilson has to take the credit for that.  I also liked his interview and the plug and play approach we've adopted - with this appointment being the test.  All good so far.

Tactics?  Open at the back?  Not so sure.  When he was at Ibrox he played with a miserly defence inc Craig Moore and - the free kick specialist - Big Amo - who didn't give many away.

Fascinated to see what tune Gio can get out of this fiddle.  We have some talent in the squad...

[alta-pete]

21 minutes ago, G51 said:

Positives:

Ross Wilson was allowed to do his job and didn't have one of the Parks, John Bennett or Stuart Gibson overruling him. That's important because directors can get a wee bit trigger happy, so credit to them for trusting the process and letting it play out.

It's going to be pretty much the same style of play that we're used to and we've built the squad for. I expect that a lot of the control and positives that we enjoyed under Gerrard will be maintained.

Should hopefully see more out of the forwards than we have recently - I think this style of play will be really good for Ryan Kent and Ianis Hagi. Also think you'll see more goals from midfield than we ever did under Gerrard, and better attacking play in general. GVB won't be afraid to throw numbers forward to break a low block, which leads to...

Negatives:

I think we'll be worse defensively than we were under Gerrard - more susceptible to counter attacks as he won't be as dogmatic about shape as the previous management team were.

Still to see who in that backroom team is replacing Beale, though obviously I know next to nothing about them yet. But none really jump out as tactical experts. Also need a set piece specialist because we don't currently have one and none have been rumoured.

Ultimately though, this signals the beginning of a transitional period for us. The squad will have reached the end of its shelf-life by the summer, and we'll probably see a lot of big names and characters (Davis, McGregor, Goldson, Arfield, Morelos, Kent) leave. So I'm expecting no or limited business in January and a shedload in the summer. His success will likely be defined by the business done then, because until then all he has to do is beat an obese Australian with no squad depth.

But this appointment is what it's supposed to look like when you have a Sporting Director - the manager becomes plug-and-play, the system doesn't really change and continuity is maintained. Wilson comes out of this looking pretty good regardless of how GVB fares as manager, because the process and logic are spot on. I predict that much of what made Gerrard's teams good will still be recognisable under GVB, and much of what made them vulnerable will also still be there. At least until the summer, anyway.

Outstanding and articulate analysis, thank you. 
 

[G51]

3 minutes ago, The_Kincardine said:

Good post and a fair summary.  We've replaced a name with a name within a week and Ross Wilson has to take the credit for that.  I also liked his interview and the plug and play approach we've adopted - with this appointment being the test.  All good so far.

Tactics?  Open at the back?  Not so sure.  When he was at Ibrox he played with a miserly defence inc Craig Moore and - the free kick specialist - Big Amo - who didn't give many away.

Fascinated to see what tune Gio can get out of this fiddle.  We have some talent in the squad...

He did play with great defences, but his Feyenoord teams used to tuck a full back in when attacking from their 4-2-3-1 system. He's not going to do that with us, because our full backs are incredible attackers. So we're going to look a lot more like 2-3-5 when we attack is my guess. 

That's pretty much the same as what Gerrard did, but the difference is that the wingers stay high and wide for GVB rather than as 10's. That means the full backs either stay outside too and create overloads (with the one on the side without the ball pushing infield) or one of the full backs/wingers push into the half space between full back and centre back. 

While Gerrard kept the midfield three pretty flat a lot of the time, GVB used to send his No. 10 flying into the box, attacking late. Which means there will be occasions when we've only four defending instead of five, and therefore more vulnerable. 

All of the above is just a guess based on what he did with Feyenoord, so what he actually does might look different. Though given one of his selling points was continuity of philosophy, it'd be a surprise if he did that much different.

Curiously, he did play a fair bit of three at the back in China. 

[The_Kincardine]

8 minutes ago, alta-pete said:

Outstanding and articulate analysis, thank you. 
 

@G51is wasted on P&B.  Pearls before swine small-minded diddy idiots.

[The_Kincardine]

8 minutes ago, G51 said:

All of the above is just a guess based on what he did with Feyenoord, so what he actually does might look different. Though given one of his selling points was continuity of philosophy, it'd be a surprise if he did that much different.

Curiously, he did play a fair bit of three at the back in China. 

I think the Nov to Jan challenge is how to get a new tune out of an old fiddle.

We've been fucking abject since the season started and - to be honest - Gerrard's tactics didn't help.

I have no doubt Gio has a war chest budget for Jan and Jun but he should make his money over the next four weeks.

[G51]

2 minutes ago, The_Kincardine said:

I think the Nov to Jan challenge is how to get a new tune out of an old fiddle.

We've been fucking abject since the season started and - to be honest - Gerrard's tactics didn't help.

I have no doubt Gio has a war chest budget for Jan and Jun but he should make his money over the next four weeks.

Yeah, it's a really difficult run of fixtures to come into. Obviously he's not taking the Hibs game on Sunday, but a must-win vs Sparta Prague, away to Livi which is such a unique game, a trip to Easter Road, home for Dundee, away to Lyon and away to Hearts within the first 19 days. It's a proper baptism of fire. 

If we're still ahead in the league by any points margin after the New Year Game, then that would be an absolutely fantastic start.

 

[The_Kincardine]

11 minutes ago, G51 said:

If we're still ahead in the league by any points margin after the New Year Game, then that would be an absolutely fantastic start.

That's the target, really?  I reckon we;d be up for that challenge.

[G51]

1 minute ago, The_Kincardine said:

That's the target, really?  I reckon we;d be up for that challenge.

I'd say so aye. Looking at the two fixture lists:

Rangers: Livingston (A), Hibs (A), Dundee (H), Hearts (A), St Johnstone (H), Dundee United (H), St Mirren (H), Aberdeen (A), Celtic (A) 

Celtic: Aberdeen (H), Hearts (H), Dundee United (A), Motherwell (H), Ross County (A), St Johnstone (A), St Mirren (A), Hibs (H), "The Glasgow Derby" (H)

We've the tougher teams away from home in this round of fixtures. I'd argue it's our most difficult run until we get to the split. If we can get through it only conceding three points or less of ground, then that'll pretty much be that. We wouldn't face Aberdeen, Hearts, Hibs or Celtic away again until the split.

[Busta Nut]

well it certainly allows you horrible bastárds to market more orange stuff.

[ATLIS]

8 hours ago, G51 said:

Yeah, it's a really difficult run of fixtures to come into. Obviously he's not taking the Hibs game on Sunday, but a must-win vs Sparta Prague, away to Livi which is such a unique game, a trip to Easter Road, home for Dundee, away to Lyon and away to Hearts within the first 19 days. It's a proper baptism of fire. 

If we're still ahead in the league by any points margin after the New Year Game, then that would be an absolutely fantastic start.

 

Possibly the worst place for any new Old Firm manager to start at. Could be a bit of a shock for GVB.

Another point is there's a nice Feyenoord link. We had players sponsored by a Feyenoord supporters club in the past and there'd been a bit of a connection. No idea how it came around in the first place but there's a few Livi fans who take a joint Feyenoord-Livi flag to away games as well.

Coincidentally my second team as well (not through the previous link). Should be very interesting game given it's straight after a European game too.

[Orbix]

Hopefully with a fuller squad the post-Europe malaise will be less of an issue. 

[Forever_blueco]

Think amo did once hit the bar against Celtic from a free kick from about the half way line if my memory isn’t playing tricks on me. Also scored one that I think took a deflection of Ian Wright in the 4-2 game at Ibrox in 99. 
 

apart from that there was nothing much more to write home about 

[KnightswoodBear]

28 minutes ago, Forever_blueco said:

Think amo did once hit the bar against Celtic from a free kick from about the half way line if my memory isn’t playing tricks on me. Also scored one that I think took a deflection of Ian Wright in the 4-2 game at Ibrox in 99. 
 

apart from that there was nothing much more to write home about 

 

https://fb.watch/9njH5Y8AlF/  

 

 

Edited November 19, 2021 by KnightswoodVanBear