NotThePars Posted January 30, 2022 Share Posted January 30, 2022 “Well if a court hasn’t established guilt I don’t believe anyone else can make a judgment” is the most pseudo-intellectual shitebag move in the game. 19 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambomo Posted January 30, 2022 Share Posted January 30, 2022 1 hour ago, Thorongil said: This is so moronic. You don’t know if Giggs did what he is accused of. You won’t know until the outcome of the case. The Greenwood allegations need to be investigated. I understand the opportunity to condemn others is, for many humans, an utterly intoxicating thing. But what a functioning non-moron does is he/she waits at least until he/she knows with reasonable certainty whether the allegations he/she is criticising actually occurred. It’s not hard. Just try to hold yourself back until you know for sure. In the meantime there are people found guilty of heinous crimes every day and you can satisfy your lust for dishing out condemnation on them. Whilst I agree with you in general on waiting until proven guilty in court, the difference with this case of Greenwood is that substantial evidence has come out. The audio alone is enough to substantiate domestic violence/abuse if not actual rape (since you don’t hear it all). Yes people may claim the photos aren’t him, the audio is faked, the authenticity will be confirmed at a trial. In truth, it’s a real stretch to say that these are faked (especially the audio which would be very difficult) and the balance of probability is that these pieces of evidence are real. He is a public figure accused of serious crime. Rather than shutting down discussion by saying “we must wait for a trial” it’s perfectly fair for the public to discuss the evidence and to have a conversation about domestic abuse. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandomGuy. Posted January 30, 2022 Share Posted January 30, 2022 22 minutes ago, mizfit said: Suspended from training and football until further notice. And hes now been arrested. Cheerio Mason, enjoy getting fucking ridden by Big Dave for the next 5 years. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
throbber Posted January 30, 2022 Share Posted January 30, 2022 Wonder if Man Utd will go for Harry Kane now. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Real Saints Posted January 30, 2022 Share Posted January 30, 2022 Bizarre statement from her father. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacksgranda Posted January 30, 2022 Share Posted January 30, 2022 21 minutes ago, RandomGuy. said: And hes now been arrested. Cheerio Mason, enjoy getting fucking ridden by Big Dave for the next 5 years. He'll be out on bail before you can say "Prince Andrew"... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorongil Posted January 30, 2022 Share Posted January 30, 2022 32 minutes ago, Jambomo said: Whilst I agree with you in general on waiting until proven guilty in court, the difference with this case of Greenwood is that substantial evidence has come out. The audio alone is enough to substantiate domestic violence/abuse if not actual rape (since you don’t hear it all). Yes people may claim the photos aren’t him, the audio is faked, the authenticity will be confirmed at a trial. In truth, it’s a real stretch to say that these are faked (especially the audio which would be very difficult) and the balance of probability is that these pieces of evidence are real. He is a public figure accused of serious crime. Rather than shutting down discussion by saying “we must wait for a trial” it’s perfectly fair for the public to discuss the evidence and to have a conversation about domestic abuse. It’s only been a matter of hours. Nobody knows if it’s his voice on the audio or whether it or the pictures have been in any way faked. It’s not for Joe Public to make decisions of guilt or innocence within 2 minutes based on information in the media. People should be able to at least wait and see what’s to come but they just enjoy the drama too much. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
19QOS19 Posted January 30, 2022 Share Posted January 30, 2022 It’s only been a matter of hours. Nobody knows if it’s his voice on the audio or whether it or the pictures have been in any way faked. It’s not for Joe Public to make decisions of guilt or innocence within 2 minutes based on information in the media. People should be able to at least wait and see what’s to come but they just enjoy the drama too much. Out of interest, what do you think the alternative is? Surely it can only be that the lassie has got someone to thump her a few times to give her some bruises/made the bruises appear herself. And then got someone to pretend to be Greenwood in an audio recording? Bit of a reach really. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICTChris Posted January 30, 2022 Share Posted January 30, 2022 Reports Greenwood has been arrested. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacksgranda Posted January 30, 2022 Share Posted January 30, 2022 37 minutes ago, RandomGuy. said: And hes now been arrested. 1 minute ago, ICTChris said: Reports Greenwood has been arrested. So we heard... -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorongil Posted January 30, 2022 Share Posted January 30, 2022 10 minutes ago, 19QOS19 said: Out of interest, what do you think the alternative is? Surely it can only be that the lassie has got someone to thump her a few times to give her some bruises/made the bruises appear herself. And then got someone to pretend to be Greenwood in an audio recording? Bit of a reach really. I don’t have any alternative theory. That’s not the point of what I’m saying. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICTChris Posted January 30, 2022 Share Posted January 30, 2022 What a strange line from the girlfriends dad - “we’ve known Mason since he was in the under 21s”. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
19QOS19 Posted January 30, 2022 Share Posted January 30, 2022 I don’t have any alternative theory. That’s not the point of what I’m saying. What is your point? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorongil Posted January 30, 2022 Share Posted January 30, 2022 1 minute ago, 19QOS19 said: What is your point? Pretty sure you understand my point. It’s been clearly expressed. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
throbber Posted January 30, 2022 Share Posted January 30, 2022 3 minutes ago, ICTChris said: What a strange line from the girlfriends dad - “we’ve known Mason since he was in the under 21s”. I have my suspicions about who the father may be 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Theroadlesstravelled Posted January 30, 2022 Share Posted January 30, 2022 11 minutes ago, The Real Saints said: Bizarre statement from her father. He sounds a piece of shit as well. Gutted his daughter isn’t getting the coin. 9 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambomo Posted January 30, 2022 Share Posted January 30, 2022 10 minutes ago, ICTChris said: What a strange line from the girlfriends dad - “we’ve known Mason since he was in the under 21s”. I’m not sure it’s that strange, parents do become attached to their kids partners, they often become like part of the family. Its not surprising that the dad might be in a bit of shock here, especially if he didn’t know anything about it. The papers get people at horrible times, like when they’ve just found these things out, He quite possibly didn’t know what to say. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smpar Posted January 30, 2022 Share Posted January 30, 2022 What a strange line from the girlfriends dad - “we’ve known Mason since he was in the under 21s”.Utterly bizarre statement if that’s what he’s said. No wonder victims rarely feel they can speak out if their own parents will say shit like that. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacksgranda Posted January 30, 2022 Share Posted January 30, 2022 4 minutes ago, Jambomo said: I’m not sure it’s that strange, parents do become attached to their kids partners, they often become like part of the family. Its not surprising that the dad might be in a bit of shock here, especially if he didn’t know anything about it. The papers get people at horrible times, like when they’ve just found these things out, He quite possibly didn’t know what to say. And he quite possibly didn't say what he's been quoted as saying. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambomo Posted January 30, 2022 Share Posted January 30, 2022 4 minutes ago, Jacksgranda said: And he quite possibly didn't say what he's been quoted as saying. Exactly, it was the Daily Mail after all. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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