FairWeatherFan Posted May 31, 2022 Share Posted May 31, 2022 10 minutes ago, Shannon said: When is WOSFL AGM? Will it be decided on definite relegation from Premier League eg 3 definitely down as a bit unfair if a team finish 4th or 5th bottom but end up going down if Caley Braves etc have a poor season or just have to get used to that every season and look at West teams in Lowland League to work out if 4th bottom stays up? Also will we know what is happening with 3rd and 4th Division too after then? Above says that the AGM is 25th June. Which seems quite late for some of the decisions. Especially at the bottom. Saw the Rutherglen Glencairn tweet that if a net loss from the LL Playoff (eg. If Darvel has been promoted with no one down to replace them) it would be 3rd bottom that gets saved. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ginaro Posted May 31, 2022 Share Posted May 31, 2022 A final look at next season's divisions and a comparison to what they would've been had the 2019/20 season been completed. Cambuslang and Thorniewood the big winners up two divisions; Dalry, AWR, Lanark the big losers down two divisions. Also, the rankings at http://scotscores.theroonba.com/clubrank/clubrankwep.html and other pages have been updated to show the new linear leagues. Basically much closer leagues with only about 300 ranking points covering the league table in the three top divisions, so will be difficult to predict but here goes: Premier - Auchinleck winners; Troon, Beith, Petershill relegated. First - Benburb, Drumchapel, Kilbirnie top 3; St Roch's, Whitletts, Bonnyton bottom 3. Second - Renfrew, Craigmark, Yoker top 3; Glasgow Uni, Muirkirk, Ardeer bottom 3. Third - Vale of Clyde, Lesmahagow, Kello top 3 (or Finnart) And if you compare to the end of last season - Cambuslang, Drumchapel and Ardeer all up 70+ places, while at the other end Dalry, Kilsyth, AWR lost the most positions. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimbaxters Posted May 31, 2022 Share Posted May 31, 2022 (edited) 7 hours ago, Ginaro said: A final look at next season's divisions and a comparison to what they would've been had the 2019/20 season been completed. Cambuslang and Thorniewood the big winners up two divisions; Dalry, AWR, Lanark the big losers down two divisions. Also, the rankings at http://scotscores.theroonba.com/clubrank/clubrankwep.html and other pages have been updated to show the new linear leagues. Basically much closer leagues with only about 300 ranking points covering the league table in the three top divisions, so will be difficult to predict but here goes: Premier - Auchinleck winners; Troon, Beith, Petershill relegated. First - Benburb, Drumchapel, Kilbirnie top 3; St Roch's, Whitletts, Bonnyton bottom 3. Second - Renfrew, Craigmark, Yoker top 3; Glasgow Uni, Muirkirk, Ardeer bottom 3. Third - Vale of Clyde, Lesmahagow, Kello top 3 (or Finnart) And if you compare to the end of last season - Cambuslang, Drumchapel and Ardeer all up 70+ places, while at the other end Dalry, Kilsyth, AWR lost the most positions. Well, there y'are. That's next season decided by the rankings. See you all in May 2023 when we can quote daft numbers once more rather than getting bogged down by that messy football business. ETA- should anyone still get excited by this eyewash, just remember this gem from about a month ago on the West Premier Thread... Over 100000 sims (using the Roonba Scottish club ranking): 89.865% - Auchinleck Talbot 9.802% - Darvel 0.333% - Pollok That's all. Edited May 31, 2022 by jimbaxters -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kenny*******Powers Posted May 31, 2022 Share Posted May 31, 2022 7 hours ago, Ginaro said: A final look at next season's divisions and a comparison to what they would've been had the 2019/20 season been completed. Cambuslang and Thorniewood the big winners up two divisions; Dalry, AWR, Lanark the big losers down two divisions. Also, the rankings at http://scotscores.theroonba.com/clubrank/clubrankwep.html and other pages have been updated to show the new linear leagues. Basically much closer leagues with only about 300 ranking points covering the league table in the three top divisions, so will be difficult to predict but here goes: Premier - Auchinleck winners; Troon, Beith, Petershill relegated. First - Benburb, Drumchapel, Kilbirnie top 3; St Roch's, Whitletts, Bonnyton bottom 3. Second - Renfrew, Craigmark, Yoker top 3; Glasgow Uni, Muirkirk, Ardeer bottom 3. Third - Vale of Clyde, Lesmahagow, Kello top 3 (or Finnart) And if you compare to the end of last season - Cambuslang, Drumchapel and Ardeer all up 70+ places, while at the other end Dalry, Kilsyth, AWR lost the most positions. Prem- Winners- Pollok Relegated- Petershill, Rob Roy, Arthurlie First Division- Winners- Drumchapel Promoted- St Cadocs, Neilston Relegated- Thorniewood, Rossvale, Bonnyton Second Division- Winners- Maybole Promoted- Renfrew, Kilsyth Relegated- Glasgow Uni, Muirkirk, St Anthonys Third Division- Winners- Ardrossan Promoted- Lesmahagow, Bellshill 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcruic Posted June 6, 2022 Share Posted June 6, 2022 On 31/05/2022 at 21:58, jimbaxters said: Well, there y'are. That's next season decided by the rankings. See you all in May 2023 when we can quote daft numbers once more rather than getting bogged down by that messy football business. ETA- should anyone still get excited by this eyewash, just remember this gem from about a month ago on the West Premier Thread... Over 100000 sims (using the Roonba Scottish club ranking): 89.865% - Auchinleck Talbot 9.802% - Darvel 0.333% - Pollok That's all. Possibly misunderstanding what rankings are? They are not set in stone. They are fluid. Shocks happen. That's why they keep changing to reflect the new reality. You do better than expected, you move up, you do worse than expected, you move down. League tables do the same - teams higher up in the table don't always win - hence why they bother playing the season. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimbaxters Posted June 7, 2022 Share Posted June 7, 2022 9 hours ago, mcruic said: Possibly misunderstanding what rankings are? They are not set in stone. They are fluid. Shocks happen. That's why they keep changing to reflect the new reality. You do better than expected, you move up, you do worse than expected, you move down. League tables do the same - teams higher up in the table don't always win - hence why they bother playing the season. No misunderstanding here pal. Rankings are not in question. Giving winners and relegation places for next season based on them is futile and frankly, silly. Reality is where it's at. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AsimButtHitsASix Posted June 7, 2022 Share Posted June 7, 2022 3 hours ago, jimbaxters said: No misunderstanding here pal. Rankings are not in question. Giving winners and relegation places for next season based on them is futile and frankly, silly. Thank heavens no-one is doing that, then, and they're still gonna play the leagues 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimbaxters Posted June 7, 2022 Share Posted June 7, 2022 4 minutes ago, AsimButtHitsASix said: Thank heavens no-one is doing that, then, and they're still gonna play the leagues Well it turns out someone has (a few posts back) but you're correct, the WoSFL have spotted the flaw and will play the matches instead. -3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AsimButtHitsASix Posted June 7, 2022 Share Posted June 7, 2022 11 minutes ago, jimbaxters said: Well it turns out someone has (a few posts back) but you're correct, the WoSFL have spotted the flaw and will play the matches instead. Nope. Someone just made some predictions and used the rankings as a guide to help them. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FairWeatherFan Posted June 7, 2022 Share Posted June 7, 2022 Talk of Harthill moving to the EoSFL should be known by Thursday when the league has their AGM. Would leave a 3rd of 18 and 4th of 14 or two conferences of 16. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimbaxters Posted June 7, 2022 Share Posted June 7, 2022 1 hour ago, AsimButtHitsASix said: Nope. Someone just made some predictions and used the rankings as a guide to help them. Did they or did they not give winners and relegation places? They did...pedant! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AsimButtHitsASix Posted June 7, 2022 Share Posted June 7, 2022 3 minutes ago, jimbaxters said: Did they or did they not give winners and relegation places? They did...pedant! No. They don't have the power to award those places. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimbaxters Posted June 7, 2022 Share Posted June 7, 2022 Just now, AsimButtHitsASix said: No. They don't have the power to award those places. No but....ach never mind. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ginaro Posted June 7, 2022 Share Posted June 7, 2022 (edited) 15 hours ago, jimbaxters said: No misunderstanding here pal. Rankings are not in question. Giving winners and relegation places for next season based on them is futile and frankly, silly. Reality is where it's at. No different to people predicting who is going to finish top and bottom based on their own feelings of how good they think teams are. And the reality is the new linear leagues mean we can't just look back at last season and judge how good teams are - because of the conferences - hence why it's good to have some measure of where teams are in relation to each other. Edited June 7, 2022 by Ginaro 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Patterson Posted June 7, 2022 Share Posted June 7, 2022 What's happening around Division 4? Is it being continued for next season as it's own league outside of the system, or will it be fully incorporated as the basement division with promotion and relegation (subject to ground status) 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yalay Posted June 8, 2022 Share Posted June 8, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, Ray Patterson said: What's happening around Division 4? Is it being continued for next season as it's own league outside of the system, or will it be fully incorporated as the basement division with promotion and relegation (subject to ground status) It isn’t being continued in its current form. Harthill Royal are moving to the EoSFL leaving the other seven clubs eligible for full membership in the league. There are also seven other new clubs applying, for a total of 14, all of which have been found to meet the league’s minimum standards. It is expected all 14 will be admitted to the league. The league has two options for next year: a third division of the 18 existing clubs plus a fourth division of the 14 new clubs (but with promotion/relegation, unlike last year). Or option two is two equal conferences of 16 at the third division level, transitioning into linear divisions for 23-24. Edited June 8, 2022 by Yalay 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimbaxters Posted June 8, 2022 Share Posted June 8, 2022 8 hours ago, Ginaro said: No different to people predicting who is going to finish top and bottom based on their own feelings of how good they think teams are. And the reality is the new linear leagues mean we can't just look back at last season and judge how good teams are - because of the conferences - hence why it's good to have some measure of where teams are in relation to each other. Obviously upset you judging by the reddy. Of course it's just a bit of fun and I'm playing up to the curmudgeonly image. Just wish I had the time that you fellas have to monkey around with numbers like that for no discernible reason other than to be doing something. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dev Posted June 9, 2022 Share Posted June 9, 2022 Is it still the League's plan to introduce, at the AGM, a limit to the numbers of clubs in membership in any one season starting in 2022/23 ? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pollokfan1987 Posted June 9, 2022 Share Posted June 9, 2022 It isn’t being continued in its current form. Harthill Royal are moving to the EoSFL leaving the other seven clubs eligible for full membership in the league. There are also seven other new clubs applying, for a total of 14, all of which have been found to meet the league’s minimum standards. It is expected all 14 will be admitted to the league. The league has two options for next year: a third division of the 18 existing clubs plus a fourth division of the 14 new clubs (but with promotion/relegation, unlike last year). Or option two is two equal conferences of 16 at the third division level, transitioning into linear divisions for 23-24. Official now they have left the WOS to jump to the EOS League 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FairWeatherFan Posted June 11, 2022 Share Posted June 11, 2022 Is the bottom of the league situation still not getting decided until the AGM? Since that's meant ot be the 25th June it seems incredibly late. Since clubs will have actually started back playing friendlies to prepare the new season. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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