Lurkst Posted July 12, 2021 Share Posted July 12, 2021 10 hours ago, Gordon EF said: Have to admit, they might have the worst national anthem in football but It's Coming Home is possibly the best football song ever written. Not even the best England song IMO. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurkst Posted July 12, 2021 Share Posted July 12, 2021 10 hours ago, Judy Murray said: I am too young to have really seen the shift but was it not down to more self policing amongst the TA? 10 hours ago, welshbairn said: I think it was after Heysel Stadium and English teams banned from Europe. There was a real effort to show we're not like them, including self policing. The Denmark game at Mexico 86 was a bit of a turning point IIRC. The Danes had a phenomenal support over there and got the self deprecating look down to a tee with their viking helmets, wigs and face paints. It clearly struck a chord with the TA who witnessed it. The kilted japester image grew in popularity from then on. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted July 12, 2021 Share Posted July 12, 2021 4 minutes ago, Lurkst said: The Denmark game at Mexico 86 was a bit of a turning point IIRC. The Danes had a phenomenal support over there and got the self deprecating look down to a tee with their viking helmets, wigs and face paints. It clearly struck a chord with the TA who witnessed it. The kilted japester image grew in popularity from then on. Think some of our lot have forgotten the jokey self depreciating part of it tbh, but still trying not to be utter c***s is core and very valuable. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeeTillEhDeh Posted July 13, 2021 Share Posted July 13, 2021 Thing is, absolutely none of the shite that happened over the course of the last couple days is remotely shocking. It was entirely predictable that England fans would get bevvied up and start fighting amongst themselves. It was entirely predictable fans would try storm into the stadium. And worst of all, it was entirely predictable from the nano second Saka missed his kick that there would be tones of racial abuse online. It happens too often, and is entirely too predictable, to be reguarly put on the blame of an idiot minority. Scotland fans are far from perfect, but I genuinely dont think Ive ever seen Scotland fans racially abusing an Adams, Anya, Iwelumo, Quashie, etc. and hopefully never will. England has a deep seated issue with race that goes way beyond a simple game of football. It harks back to the idea of the commonwealth (what a hilariously ironic name btw) and the white supremecy of lording over african colonies. Its honestly fucking disgusting to still be speaking about this shite. Most of us are obviously delighted the three missed their pens, but f**k my heart doesnt half go out to them for what they must see every time the look online.Brexit and the election of racists like Johnson has probably accentuated the problem because it has validated the racists point of view. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bully Wee Villa Posted July 13, 2021 Share Posted July 13, 2021 Sadly, true. The Tories have wrapped themselves in the Union Jack since Brexit and their most idiotic followers now have the belief that any criticism of the government means you hate the country. Witness that pathetic Torygraph "journalist" saying that Mings should be banned from playing for England because he said something nasty about our poor racist Home Secretrary. Millions of people have been completely brainwashed by the promise of an intangible new dawn post-Brexit, a bit of petty flag-waving and some old-fashioned dog whistle racism. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMDP Posted July 13, 2021 Share Posted July 13, 2021 On 10/07/2021 at 15:49, JMDP said: You have to worry for @SoloXI if Italy win. Could be a Super Sunday meltdown for the ages on here. Fair play to you @SoloXI, having read through it was a fairly good protracted meltdown! 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
throbber Posted July 13, 2021 Share Posted July 13, 2021 The worst part of the racist abuse is how it’s not just coming from anonymous trolls, not sure if it was shared on here or if it was on twitter but I saw a guy who had his full name and picture on his Twitter account which was the same as his linked in profile where he said n****** can’t take penalties for The entire world to see and someone highlighted it to his employers by yesterday morning. Another person who inundated Rashford with monkey emojis after Man Utd lost the Europa league final was a primary school teacher which Rashford was able to find out just by searching his name into Facebook. Rashford chose not to name and shame the guy as well. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hedgecutter Posted July 13, 2021 Share Posted July 13, 2021 (edited) 11 hours ago, Michael W said: I can't get what goes through people's heads to racially abuse someone for something like a penalty miss, as if their race is the determining factor in it happening. There's the danger that a vicious circle develops the more this sort of abuse goes on, not helped by the "it's only a minority" brigade effectively normalising it. These players are already under enormous pressure from factors that relate to the vast majority of the fan base, so you can imagine what the extra unneeded weight of knowing what's potentially in the pipeline from the minority (should they miss) can do to any man. Whilst it's 'only' a minority of fans dishing out the online abuse, you can imagine a significant number (further?) developing and harbouring an imperialistic-like view along the lines of: "better get the whites to take them as there's less chance of them bottling it", or "great, here we go again...", which can only lead to more and more problems along these lines. Edited July 13, 2021 by Hedgecutter 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandomGuy. Posted July 13, 2021 Share Posted July 13, 2021 I wouldn't worry, Gareth Southgate has confirmed the "vast majority" of comments are coming from Russian bots. Such a nice man though, hard to hate him. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eez-eh Posted July 13, 2021 Share Posted July 13, 2021 9 hours ago, Genuine Hibs Fan said: Lol I was sure he was trolling until I clicked his profile and saw a link to The Telegraph. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheScarf Posted July 13, 2021 Share Posted July 13, 2021 8 hours ago, Jacky1990 said: The c***s will be fucking terrified that people like Mings and Rashford calling the Tories out will be swaying voters in certain areas. Lovely stuff. Neville too. The more blue ticked Twitterers calling out the Tories will hopefully mean less votes in key seats. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lina_sif Posted July 13, 2021 Share Posted July 13, 2021 Am i the only one wondering why UEFA is so quiet after the final? I thought they were going to address the problems with the fans and people entering Wembley with no ticket. I'm sure it takes time to investigate, but still, the silence just seems unprofessional. Not very impressed with UEFA in general this tournamen. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheScarf Posted July 13, 2021 Share Posted July 13, 2021 29 minutes ago, RandomGuy. said: I wouldn't worry, Gareth Southgate has confirmed the "vast majority" of comments are coming from Russian bots. Such a nice man though, hard to hate him. i saw that. Presumably he'll have some kind of evidence to back that claim up. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mizfit Posted July 13, 2021 Share Posted July 13, 2021 Am i the only one wondering why UEFA is so quiet after the final? I thought they were going to address the problems with the fans and people entering Wembley with no ticket. I'm sure it takes time to investigate, but still, the silence just seems unprofessional. Not very impressed with UEFA in general this tournamen.UEFA Have no immediate need to issue punishments with the next round of international fixtures being in September. I wouldn’t be surprised if they’re awaiting match reports from delegates before commenting further. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Master Posted July 13, 2021 Share Posted July 13, 2021 1 hour ago, throbber said: The worst part of the racist abuse is how it’s not just coming from anonymous trolls, not sure if it was shared on here or if it was on twitter but I saw a guy who had his full name and picture on his Twitter account which was the same as his linked in profile where he said n****** can’t take penalties for The entire world to see and someone highlighted it to his employers by yesterday morning. He’s now claiming his account was hacked. I’m shocked, I tell you, shocked. It’s funny how so many accounts belonging to random people are hacked with the sole purpose of posting racist comments towards black footballers. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeeTillEhDeh Posted July 13, 2021 Share Posted July 13, 2021 I wouldn't worry, Gareth Southgate has confirmed the "vast majority" of comments are coming from Russian bots. Such a nice man though, hard to hate him.That's the nonsense I got from some English fans on Sunday night. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael W Posted July 13, 2021 Share Posted July 13, 2021 16 minutes ago, Lina_sif said: Am i the only one wondering why UEFA is so quiet after the final? I thought they were going to address the problems with the fans and people entering Wembley with no ticket. I'm sure it takes time to investigate, but still, the silence just seems unprofessional. Not very impressed with UEFA in general this tournamen. It doesn't reflect well on them either, in fairness. They'll probably be waiting for evidence and will take action if necessary at a later date when things have died down. 44 minutes ago, RandomGuy. said: I wouldn't worry, Gareth Southgate has confirmed the "vast majority" of comments are coming from Russian bots. Such a nice man though, hard to hate him. A lot of the comments probably are from bots tbf. But really, this is quite easy to prove/disprove so I'd have hoped he wouldn't make this claim without evidence. Hopefully those that are physically located in England will be brought to justice. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeeTillEhDeh Posted July 13, 2021 Share Posted July 13, 2021 He’s now claiming his account was hacked. I’m shocked, I tell you, shocked. It’s funny how so many accounts belonging to random people are hacked with the sole purpose of posting racist comments towards black footballers. There were 2 accounts - one was a fake, possibly parody account- his real account has posts going back 5 years with similar content.He's a lying shitebag. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael W Posted July 13, 2021 Share Posted July 13, 2021 (edited) 7 minutes ago, The Master said: He’s now claiming his account was hacked. I’m shocked, I tell you, shocked. It’s funny how so many accounts belonging to random people are hacked with the sole purpose of posting racist comments towards black footballers. It definitely does looks like a delaying tactic. This should be fairly easy to prove, so if he's lying about it then we can have wasting police time added to the charge sheet. Savills seemed to get a lot of crap for not firing the guy instantly, but there's due process to follow. I suspect that the employee's claim is a delaying tactic to buy him some time (and another month's wage) but if he's fired without due process then there's an unfair dismissal case against them. And you don't want a racist getting a payout because the firm fucked up. Edited July 13, 2021 by Michael W 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Highlandmagar Posted July 13, 2021 Share Posted July 13, 2021 It is utterly disgusting the behaviour of these utter morons on a day that the whole nation should be as one. Alcohol and racism is obviously two of the main reasons behind it all. I cannot get same fans fighting among themselves. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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