Rangers B 2021/22

[Gordon EF]

1 minute ago, Che Dail said:

What, you believe that they went from u17s or u19s to B team competitive football against professional adults, and it didn't improve them? 

Yes, I genuinely don't think Stefan Zuber's 3 games for Hoffenheim II at the age of 24 made a significant difference to his ability as a professional footballer.

I don't see any evidence that B team experience is any more valuable than alternative ways of gaining playing experience.

[FairWeatherFan]

It's about a proper player pathway within a club. Here's a bunch of players signed from another club, often having already played 1st team football.

It's about development. Here's a bunch of players with single digit appearances for a 'B' team.

It's about the national team. Here's a bunch of players signed from their domestic league to play  for a foreign 'B' team.

EDIT: The good thing about Barcelona B and Real Madrid Castilla operating on the scale they do, it's always fun to find the random journeymen filling the ranks.

Roger Riera on his 3rd Spanish 'B' team.

Matheus Pereira and his 4 stints at 'B' teams across 3 countries.

 

 

Edited June 30, 2021 by FairWeatherFan

[Che Dail]

39 minutes ago, Torpar said:

He's won nothing with Argentina.

 

LOL - His 6 x  Ballon d'or wins count for nothing, what a loser.

But to correct you, he did win the u20 World Cup and a gold medal at the 2008 Olympics among his 148 caps and 75 goals for Argentina.

Kenny Dalglish won nothing with Scotland mind - could do with him dusting down the Puma Kings eh.

 

 

[FairWeatherFan]

1 minute ago, Che Dail said:

LOL - His 6 x  Ballon d'or wins count for nothing, what a loser.

But to correct you, he did win the u20 World Cup and a gold medal at the 2008 Olympics among his 148 caps and 75 goals for Argentina.

You've won me over. Let's follow the Messi model.

Scotland doesn't have to bother with 'B' teams as other countries can do it for us. We can just focus on youth development.

[LongTimeLurker]

11 minutes ago, Che Dail said:

... Kenny Dalglish won nothing with Scotland mind ...

He was in Scotland teams that won the Home Internationals.

[Jacksgranda]

20 hours ago, Forest_Fifer said:

On 28/06/2021 at 19:20, edinabear said:

Looking forward to this season. Will be interesting to see how the young lads go against senior pros. Some good friendlies lined up as well. 
https://www.rangers.co.uk/article/pre-season-fixtures-confirmed-for-b-team-and-under-18s/2rRz1cB4E31dj3rymcuemL

What difference does it make how they get on, you want to get promoted a league in 2022 no matter where you finish, over the top of whoever wins the league. Take your B team and shove them up your hoop.

And where do Rangers B get shoved?

[Jacksgranda]

4 hours ago, Big Dougie said:

There is already a thread for the hatefest on this subject, the guy started a a constructive thread, if you don’t agree fair enough, but surely their should be room for all opinions?

There are opinions and then there are unhinged diatribes.

[Jacksgranda]

2 hours ago, RiG said:

Going to go out on a limb here and say that B teams were not critical to the development of Lionel Messi.

Controversial.

[Jacksgranda]

14 minutes ago, LongTimeLurker said:

He was in Scotland teams that won the Home Internationals.

[crowie]

What, you believe that they went from u17s or u19s to B team competitive football against professional adults, and it didn't improve them? 

I don’t believe playing B team football in the 5th tier in Scotland will improve them to any great degree.

If it’s to really benefit ALL of Scottish football then it needs to be at a higher level than LL.

If it’s to be done FAIRLY then any B team needs to earn the right to play at the highest level they can achieve….by starting at the very bottom and working their way there. Same as any other club in the pyramid.

[big al]

6 hours ago, Che Dail said:

Ukraine had 6 players in their squad last night with B team experience including Zinchenko the 1st goalscorer (Jong PSV). 

Yarmolenko - Kiev 2 (35apps)

Stepanenko - Metalurh 2 (16)

Sydorchuk - Metalurh 2 (17)

Malinovskiy - Shaktar 3rds (39) 

Makarenko - Kiev 2 (30)

and Switzerland has:

Benito - Benfica B (5); 

Elvedi - Zurich B (24)

Ajetti - Augsburg B (6)

Widmer - Aarau B (9)

Xhaka - Concordia Basel (feeder team)

Zuber - Hoffenheim B (3)

Sow - Zurich B (20) and Borrussia Moenchengladbach B (32)

Shaquiri - Basel B (19)

Gavranovic - Shalke 04 B (5)

Others in the last eight with B teams in their league structure include Spain, Italy, Czech Rep.  Out the comp are Portugal, Croatia, Holland and Germany.

In the Czech Rep, B teams were introduced en-masse at Tier 3 in 2019/20.

 

How many of those countries only allowed B teams for the biggest 2 clubs exclusively? 2 clubs that are already miles ahead of the rest and this is just aiding them further, to gather up even more of the promising youths and do whatever they feel fit to do with them. 

[Clown Job]

The only people who will benefit from Celtic and Rangers B teams in the lower leagues are Celtic and Rangers 

Let’s not pretend it’s for the good of Scottish football, that wouldn’t have even came into the thought process of the clubs when making the decision to try and get them parachuted into the leagues, but it’s handy for them when people try and make that argument of behalf of them 

We have more than enough clubs in Scotland without adding these 2

Edited June 30, 2021 by Clown Job

[G_H]

I think we should introduce a new second tier division  just under the Premier League that runs parallel to the Championship, as this sounds like the level of competition that the arsecheeks think will best develop their players. features of this competition will include.

• Membership limited to B teams from Glasgow based teams who finish best placed in the Premier League.
• Closed system with no promotion or relegation.
• Teams play each other 40 times per season, with results only publicised on member team's own websites in order that the rest of us don't need to put up with it.
• The competition winners get awarded a set of those paper hats you get out of xmas crackers in the other team's colours.

 

 

Edited June 30, 2021 by G_H

[Che Dail]

2 hours ago, crowie said:

I don’t believe playing B team football in the 5th tier in Scotland will improve them to any great degree.

If it’s to really benefit ALL of Scottish football then it needs to be at a higher level than LL.

If it’s to be done FAIRLY then any B team needs to earn the right to play at the highest level they can achieve….by starting at the very bottom and working their way there. Same as any other club in the pyramid.

I agree they need to be at higher level than LL -  it's not what they wanted but the best they could get, for now.

Certainly wouldn't see any value in starting FT players down in T8 or T9 - would be a waste of time and money and defeats the purpose. 

Edited June 30, 2021 by Che Dail

[Che Dail]

2 hours ago, big al said:

How many of those countries only allowed B teams for the biggest 2 clubs exclusively? 2 clubs that are already miles ahead of the rest and this is just aiding them further, to gather up even more of the promising youths and do whatever they feel fit to do with them. 

I don't think it should be exclusive to Rangers and Celtic and I doubt they do either - if other clubs can afford to support a 2nd FT pro team then the same opportunity should be allowed for Hearts/ Hibs/ Aberdeen etc

[parsforlife]

6 hours ago, FairWeatherFan said:

You've won me over. Let's follow the Messi model..

Pump our kids full of growth hormones?

Not the worst idea... Let’s do that.   It works in other countries.

 

Anyway on Topic.   Heavy defeats weakly and a few broken legs please.  

[Che Dail]

6 hours ago, FairWeatherFan said:

It's about a proper player pathway within a club. Here's a bunch of players signed from another club, often having already played 1st team football.

It's about development. Here's a bunch of players with single digit appearances for a 'B' team.

It's about the national team. Here's a bunch of players signed from their domestic league to play  for a foreign 'B' team.

EDIT: The good thing about Barcelona B and Real Madrid Castilla operating on the scale they do, it's always fun to find the random journeymen filling the ranks.

Roger Riera on his 3rd Spanish 'B' team.

Matheus Pereira and his 4 stints at 'B' teams across 3 countries.

 

 

Here's one for you... Jadon Sancho...  £73m transfer to Man United. 

I'd expect some of that money will filter back to Watford and Man City who invested in the player's development.

His transition from youth to adult pro football included a 3 game stint in the Dortmund B team at just 17yr old.

[FairWeatherFan]

1 hour ago, Che Dail said:

Here's one for you... Jadon Sancho...  £73m transfer to Man United. 

I'd expect some of that money will filter back to Watford and Man City who invested in the player's development.

His transition from youth to adult pro football included a 3 game stint in the Dortmund B team at just 17yr old.

You're right, the likes of Sancho is exactly why Rangers want a 'B' team. Take advantage of cheap international youth transfers. Hopefully transition into the first team and pocket a transfer fee at the end. 

Edited June 30, 2021 by FairWeatherFan

[Gordon EF]

The power of B teams are such that Jadon Sancho was transformed from a callow youth to international superstar without ever even playing a full game at that level. He was given two run outs (one lasting 45 minutes and the other 54) before going straight into the Dortmund first team.

There's been some utterly brain dead pro-B team arguments here and this one is right up there.

[foreverarover]

Ukraine had 6 players in their squad last night with B team experience including Zinchenko the 1st goalscorer (Jong PSV). 
Yarmolenko - Kiev 2 (35apps)
Stepanenko - Metalurh 2 (16)
Sydorchuk - Metalurh 2 (17)
Malinovskiy - Shaktar 3rds (39) 
Makarenko - Kiev 2 (30)
and Switzerland has:
Benito - Benfica B (5); 
Elvedi - Zurich B (24)
Ajetti - Augsburg B (6)
Widmer - Aarau B (9)
Xhaka - Concordia Basel (feeder team)
Zuber - Hoffenheim B (3)
Sow - Zurich B (20) and Borrussia Moenchengladbach B (32)
Shaquiri - Basel B (19)
Gavranovic - Shalke 04 B (5)
Others in the last eight with B teams in their league structure include Spain, Italy, Czech Rep.  Out the comp are Portugal, Croatia, Holland and Germany.
In the Czech Rep, B teams were introduced en-masse at Tier 3 in 2019/20.
 

So. I'm sure if they had no B teams they would have been farmed out to suitable clubs like we have done for the last 100+ years. Don't kid yourself here Rangers and Celtic will be the start and others will follow suit. Rangers and Celtic for all the training facilities haven't exactly created many players of note. The issue is the lack of decent coaching at each club not the fact they don't have a colts team.