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So no net change in numbers terms in the West once Annbank are factored in:
https://www.nonleaguematters.co.uk/forums/index.php?threads/scottish-junior-cup-2021-22.4858/#post-101201
Interesting to see how many West clubs retained their SJFA membership - it seems to be 52 out of 63 with a question mark over Annbank who have sat this season out.

The ten clubs who have not are:

WoS Premier - Clydebank, Darvel, Kilwinning Rangers, Rutherglen Glencairn
WoS Conf A - Bellshill Athletic, Forth Wanderers
WoS Conf B - Port Glasgow Juniors, Royal Albert
WoS Conf C - Neilston, Vale of Clyde
So as was deduced in earlier posts Darvel and Vale of Clyde have left since last season but Newmains and Cambuslang Rangers have rejoined.
So not many in the Strathclyde cup then? If the Strathclyde cup is only for non Junior Cup entries and non-SFA members.
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3 minutes ago, stulch said:

So a graphic correction then.

Yes - because six ties have completely changed. The original draw WAS correct, but not what was read out. Girvan should have been number 55 not 64. But as it was the 64 one that was read out they had to change to that.

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4 minutes ago, stulch said:

So not many in the Strathclyde cup then?

The list below is lifted from WoS subforum. Darvel and Clydebank will be licensed so 8 that used to be in the SJFA plus St Cadoc's, Drumchapel United and the eight new Division 4 teams are the probable Strathclyde Cup entrants.

  1. Bellshill Athletic
  2. Bonnyton Thistle
  3. BSC Glasgow
  4. Campbeltown Pupils
  5. Drumchapel United
  6. Finnart
  7. Forth Wanderers
  8. Glenvale
  9. Harmony Row
  10. Kilsyth Athletic
  11. Kilwinning Rangers
  12. Neilston
  13. Port Glasgow Juniors
  14. Royal Albert
  15. Rutherglen Glencairn
  16. St Cadoc's
  17. St. Peters
  18. Vale of Clyde
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The list below is lifted from WoS subforum. Darvel and Clydebank will be licensed so 8 that used to be in the SJFA plus St Cadoc's, Drumchapel United and the eight new Division 4 teams are the probable Strathclyde Cup entrants.
  1. Bellshill Athletic
  2. Bonnyton Thistle
  3. BSC Glasgow
  4. Campbeltown Pupils
  5. Drumchapel United
  6. Finnart
  7. Forth Wanderers
  8. Glenvale
  9. Harmony Row
  10. Kilsyth Athletic
  11. Kilwinning Rangers
  12. Neilston
  13. Port Glasgow Juniors
  14. Royal Albert
  15. Rutherglen Glencairn
  16. St Cadoc's
  17. St. Peters
  18. Vale of Clyde
I was forgetting about the new development West division and how they aren't SJA members, at least yet. Not too bad a number then and they'll still need to beat the winners of the East and South versions to get the cup entry. Still a nice trophy if they just get to the 'finals' though.
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6 hours ago, theesel1994 said:

Yes - because six ties have completely changed. The original draw WAS correct, but not what was read out. Girvan should have been number 55 not 64. But as it was the 64 one that was read out they had to change to that.

Actually, it's even more complicated than that.

Reading between the lines, it seems that after drawing 46 ties in R1, the teams given byes in should have been listed alphabetically and allocated new numbers 47 to 64. However, somehow Girvan were missed out and tagged on at the end as #64.

Meanwhile, whoever made up the graphic originally posted on social media used the NUMBERS drawn together with a list with a DIFFERENT mistake, where Maryhill had been missed out alphabetically and tagged on as #64!

Consequently, all the teams with numbers 55 to 59, plus #64, were placed differently in the graphic to what was drawn (and now confirmed as the actual ties to be played).

So the current SJFA blazership is almost as incompetent as Johnstone & co were (who, a few seasons back, drew the wrong number of ties and byes in Round 1!)

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I think if the draw hadn't been read out loud. Just the numbers drawn. In the correct order. 1-46 (first round winners) 47-64 clubs that were given a bye in alphabetical order. The draw that appeared in the 1st graphic would probably have been correct (minus the Burghead/Winton duplication). I still think they were working off two lists -  a numbered printed list (wrong) at the table and a spreadsheet using rows 1-64 .

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On 04/07/2021 at 19:55, theesel1994 said:

I think if the draw hadn't been read out loud. Just the numbers drawn. In the correct order. 1-46 (first round winners) 47-64 clubs that were given a bye in alphabetical order. The draw that appeared in the 1st graphic would probably have been correct (minus the Burghead/Winton duplication). I still think they were working off two lists -  a numbered printed list (wrong) at the table and a spreadsheet using rows 1-64 .

At least two lists, BOTH wrong. Or else how do you explain Maryhill at #64?

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Realised that the rules say those competing in the senior Scottish Cup get a bye in the first round draw, so Auchinleck, Banks O' Dee and Irvine Meadow shouldn't really playing be in the first round.

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On 19/07/2021 at 09:35, Ginaro said:

Realised that the rules say those competing in the senior Scottish Cup get a bye in the first round draw, so Auchinleck, Banks O' Dee and Irvine Meadow shouldn't really playing be in the first round.

A bit much, expecting the SJFA beaks to know their own rules lol.

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22 minutes ago, FairWeatherFan said:

Armadale Thistle have also pulled out now.

On Bathgate Thistle's facebook post on their withdrawal there is a comment from the SJFA's chief.

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In a way they have forced it - by putting the Junior Cup rounds 1 and 2 the week before the Scottish Cup. If they'd put it on the same date you could've had Scottish/Junior/Alex Jack all together, no clashes in the east as you can only enter one competition. However the five SJFA members also competing in the senior cup would then face issues.

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11 minutes ago, Ginaro said:

In a way they have forced it - by putting the Junior Cup rounds 1 and 2 the week before the Scottish Cup. If they'd put it on the same date you could've had Scottish/Junior/Alex Jack all together, no clashes in the east as you can only enter one competition. However the five SJFA members also competing in the senior cup would then face issues.

It has been known that on entering the pyramid league fixtures etc would take a priority. So it's no real surprise. To have gotten to this stage you would have thought there would have been some forethought to get it sorted.

However, you're now dealing with the SJFA, potentially two different league bodies, and opponent's that might not be willing to accomodate ties being rearranged.

I don't think anyone is blameless.

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How did the SJFA seriously expect EoS clubs to participate if the EoS fixture secretary wasn't going to be coordinating this with them? Were they naive enough to think the EoS would play nice over this if presented with a fait accompli? Lunatic blazer politics continues unabated.

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