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Just now, afc_blockhead said:

Definitely a troll 

You are the 1 poster unequivocally sure that tactically,  selection wise or in any other way Clarke is untouchable and uncriticisable. Id love to know what great knowledge you have to back that up?

So far it seems to be that the players didn't do what he said!

What worrying me is what the results will be if Clarke does get his selections and tactics wrong🤣

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24 minutes ago, afc_blockhead said:

Yet you are 100% certain Clarke is the only one whose untouchable

Fair enough. You are fixed on that and ignore any attempt to justify YOUR opinion its anybody except Clarkes fault

I'm not saying he is untouchable. It's clear in his contract what the parameters of success and failure are. I justified my opinion it by saying that the players accepted the responsibility, linking the video and also by saying that given we are not experts on the forum and we don't really know what's going on then how can we attribute blame?

That's my point of view.

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2 minutes ago, 2426255 said:

I'm not saying he is untouchable. It's clear in his contract what the parameters of success and failure are. I justified my opinion it by saying that the players accepted the responsibility and also by saying that given we are not experts on the forum and we don't really know what's going on then how can we attribute blame?

Players saying after a humiliation they should have played better/protecting the manager? Thats 99% of interviews in those circumstances. 

Also you say nobody knows whats going on so we cant attribute blame? Yet you attribute blame to players and none to Clarke.

Also you dont have to be an expert to see the 1st half was awful and the system wasnt working. He didnt change it.

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10 minutes ago, afc_blockhead said:

Also you say nobody knows whats going on so we cant attribute blame? Yet you attribute blame to players and none to Clarke.

Also you dont have to be an expert to see the 1st half was awful and the system wasnt working. He didnt change it.

The players attributed blame to themselves, I'm just making you aware of that - see the video. What about the system, shape and tactics weren't working? - what should he have changed? You're just stabbing in the dark, you wanted something to change because it wasn't going well and now you need someone to blame.

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Maybe I'm simplifying this, but why can Scotland just play the system where we bomb down both flanks with our wing backs and beat people...inject speed.
Anytime they have done this in past we have been superb.
Yesterday and against Ukraine we barely did it and always passed back...when we play like this we usually don't get a result.
Its plain to see, so why cant Clarke see this.

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Football is a results driven business, so people are (as you’d expect) willing to turn a blind eye to poor performances if we’re winning games.

When we’re not it highlights just how average a team we are. In all of our big games of late, with the exception of Denmark (a significantly weaker one at that) and England at Wembley we’ve not played well. I can’t actually remember many games during Clark’s tenure where we have. Even the Euro’s playoffs were dire and if we’d gone out to Israel I don’t think anyone could really have complained.

He’s probably got the rest of this NL campaign, but I have little hope that we’ll make significant progress under him. Yesterday was as bad as it’s ever been.

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1 minute ago, John Lambies Doos said:

Maybe I'm simplifying this, but why can Scotland just play the system where we bomb down both flanks with our wing backs and beat people...inject speed.

Simply put, because the other team try to stop you from doing that.

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Simply put, because the other team try to stop you from doing that.
If they have the players absolutely. But we were playing against a fuckin extra fro seinfeld and a scouser snooker player, yet we never tried it once.
Also the ability to make a simple cross or defend a set piece was just dire
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3 minutes ago, John Lambies Doos said:

If they have the players absolutely. But we were playing against a fuckin extra fro seinfeld and a scouser snooker player, yet we never tried it once.
Also the ability to make a simple cross or defend a set piece was just dire

I'm at a loss to explain the performance. I think a few other people on here think they now though. Initials being SC 😁

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I distinctly remember Darren Fletcher putting the blame on the players after the Belgium game that saw Craig Levein fired into the sun.

It’s incredibly rare a player will come out and publicly slate the manager. Pointing to that Robertson interview yesterday is a complete waste of time.

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Lots of kids have talent and the best become Internationals. It's not the Manager of the Day that's the real issue. If ever Scotland is to reach a Euro or World Cup Finals again it will be because the SFA has finally figured out that it takes that extra special World Class player or two to make it happen. There's loads of players who can mix it at international level already but they need that extra-special player or two to make the difference. The talent is there at younger levels. 

That means the really talented youngsters - school age - must be identified and given the very best coaching. That will probably mean sending them outside Scotland for their coaching unless a specialist group can be set up under the SFA so they can stay here.  

Moaning helps but it won't change things. The talent is there. Do something about it.

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Just now, gannonball said:

You do realise if Clarke gets punted any time soon they will most likely go for Malky Mackay

Public opinion plays a big part also, so I couldn't see that happening.

At this moment tho they could announce MacKay, Mcleish and Iain Crocker as the new co managers and it would feel like an upgrade.

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11 minutes ago, eez-eh said:

I distinctly remember Darren Fletcher putting the blame on the players after the Belgium game that saw Craig Levein fired into the sun.

It’s incredibly rare a player will come out and publicly slate the manager. Pointing to that Robertson interview yesterday is a complete waste of time.

Yes, the buck stops with the manager, he's the blame taker. That doesn't mean yesterday's performance was actually his fault. I've taken the evidence of Andrew Robertson's post match interview in combination with the poor performance I witnessed. Seeing things the manager has little to no control over such as poor passing, overhit crosses and tame shooting. 

I don't think we played well, Andrew Robertson said we didn't play well as players, Steve Clarke said we performed poorly. Why? I don't think anyone on here can say why. That's what I'm saying.

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1 hour ago, DC92 said:

I'm sceptical of Clarke, but the thick football fan's need to recategorise every single good result and performance as lucky or not that impressive is irritating.

A "battling defensive draw" in which we created a few chances of our own against a much better team on their own patch is somehow a bad thing. Israel were the better team at Hampden despite not getting out of their own half for 45 minutes and benefitting from several missed chances, including a penalty. Trying to rip the shirt off someone's back with two hands is somehow a "questionable penalty" and our keeper made a couple of saves, but the several chances we created of our own in that game don't warrant a mention.

He's a fanny.

Not to mention a dominant performance vs Poland where they got a dodgy VARless penalty gets a "meh", and an open game of two halves vs Austria where we could have scored more gets spun in a negative fashion. Fitting his agenda around the facts.

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13 minutes ago, 2426255 said:

I don't think we played well, Andrew Robertson said we didn't play well as players, Steve Clarke said we performed poorly. Why? I don't think anyone on here can say why. That's what I'm saying.

It comes down to a lack of preparation,losing is part of the game and yes Ukraine and Ireland had extra motivation but in different ways.
Scotland have drop a level in the last 3 games and the answers are there for all to see,we may have different opinions on what happened but we can all see we were not prepared for the games ahead,you can look at the games individually but collectively it's been a clusterfuck. 
The main reason for me is management and players not being able to adapt to different challenges,Ukraine being a more technical team and Ireland having more energy and work rate,Scotland has no identity to how we play our football and how we hurt our opponents.
Ukraine play to their strengths and Ireland play to their strengths it's seems to be a problem with Scotland.  

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Not to mention a dominant performance vs Poland where they got a dodgy VARless penalty gets a "meh", and an open game of two halves vs Austria where we could have scored more gets spun in a negative fashion. Fitting his agenda around the facts.
We were shite against Austria tbf
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16 hours ago, Loominous said:

 I'd prefer to see him stay on if it was up to me which it's not. 

It is up to the players to keep him in his job. After the shocking performance against Ukraine they had this game to show their commitment to him as a manager. They didnt even look particularity bothered during the game. I hope the decision to end his contract is made quickly - a long drawn out process is not fair on Clarke. It also gives new manager chance to plan for euro 24

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1 hour ago, 2426255 said:

The players attributed blame to themselves, I'm just making you aware of that - see the video. What about the system, shape and tactics weren't working? - what should he have changed? You're just stabbing in the dark, you wanted something to change because it wasn't going well and now you need someone to blame.

Jesus

 You have to be a member of his family or work for the SFA PR department 

Playing your game, why are you so sure Clarke got it right? Also well avoided again regarding the point ALL players "take responsibility" after a shit result. Means nothing 

Tactically - for a start leaving Hendry on Duffy all game despite him being dominated from the first cross in / playing 3 at the back who kept getting stretched and caught out with balls behind and not changing it.

That sort of thing.

But i know your response, you are one of those who believes 11 players working hard is all its about (he couldn't even get that out of them?

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