drs Posted April 15, 2022 Share Posted April 15, 2022 23 hours ago, LongTimeLurker said: ^^^blindingly obvious that that the intent of whoever drafted the rule was that the games involving the guest clubs do count in determining point totals and goal difference but that the OF clubs' final totals have no relevance in issues related to position such as determining the overall champion, relegation issues and who qualified for the League Cup. This is more map of Luncarty with a line through it level stuff. ^^^hard to believe how naive some people can be sometimes. It's been obvious for years that the clique that founded the LL had a self-interest agenda but some people became completely obsessed with a very tribalistic juniors bad and backward vs nonleague seniors good and progressive narrative so the motives of that clique had to be portrayed as being as pure as the driven snow. The most shrill posters on here even wound up bitterly opposing a plan from the SFA to split the LL into east and west tier 5 divisions that would have been in the long term interests of clubs from the east like Camelon and Blackburn. Twenty years from now Tom Johnston will have been long since consigned to the rubbish bin of Scottish football history and tier 5 will in all likelihood be skewed in membership terms towards clubs from the west and north with the east under-represented because of there only being two rather than three feeders. Jesus wept man, you are believing your own lies now. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongTimeLurker Posted April 16, 2022 Share Posted April 16, 2022 21 hours ago, Burnieman said: Your level of revisionism has reached a new peak. You got it badly wrong then and you continue to get it badly wrong now with a potent mix of stupidity, conspiracy, and just downright bad guesswork. There was no "plan" to split the LL into East and West beyond a suggestion - from the WRJFA (option Z) - at a time when there were a whole load of different "plans" being bandied about to integrate the West, and even if there was a "plan" the LL would not have agreed and neither would the SPFL. You pushed it, and as ever you were pushing an idea that was an annoying distraction rather that a serious option. Basic facts that you cannot grasp, but use to throw out another bizarre revisionist post. Give it up man, people are actually laughing at you, you never learn. ^^^he was singing a different tune at the time it was happening: 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burnieman Posted April 16, 2022 Share Posted April 16, 2022 On 14/04/2022 at 12:44, LongTimeLurker said: The most shrill posters on here even wound up bitterly opposing a plan from the SFA 21 hours ago, Burnieman said: There was no "plan" to split the LL into East and West beyond a suggestion - from the WRJFA (option Z) - There was no plan from the SFA, it was a Petrie brain fart presented to clubs by a WRJFA survey who were lead to believe the LL had already backed it. You actually spent time trawling through old posts and found one which actually underlines you're completely wrong. I mean 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongTimeLurker Posted April 16, 2022 Share Posted April 16, 2022 For the benefit of people who don't follow this stuff closely Rod Petrie is currently the president of the SFA. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rod_Petrie 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FairWeatherFan Posted April 16, 2022 Author Share Posted April 16, 2022 I'm really not sure why we're going over old ground. The PWG was at a stalemate. They spitballed 4 ideas and even said put it out to the respective league members for ideas in hopes to find a solution. No one on here was in the room to know who said suggested what. None of them were a real plan as there would have to be work done to get them sorted. How's this West feeder going to work? How's the 4 leagues at Tier 6 going to work? How's the East Region as a feeder to the EoSFL going to work? Are the SPFL really going to agree to 3 feeders? Plus numerous other questions across the options. The West Region voted on their preferred option of LL West/LL East. There was no Plan B. The LL and EoS wanted a West League on its own. There was no Plan B. All of which is consistent with what caused the stalemate in the first place. The PWG died. Individual clubs then looked to give the LL and EoS what they wanted in order to access the pyramid: the WoSFL. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FairWeatherFan Posted April 16, 2022 Author Share Posted April 16, 2022 Happy to be corrected but a quick update has the final major positions finishing like this. In the real world East Stirlingshire just pip CSS on goal difference for the final SPFL Trust Trophy invite. If the OFB hadn't been there they would have finished 7th. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Gordon EF Posted April 17, 2022 Share Posted April 17, 2022 16 hours ago, FairWeatherFan said: Happy to be corrected but a quick update has the final major positions finishing like this. In the real world East Stirlingshire just pip CSS on goal difference for the final SPFL Trust Trophy invite. If the OFB hadn't been there they would have finished 7th. Great to see it was one of the scab clubs who voted for B teams that ended up missing out on 4th because of them. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pyramid Watcher Posted April 17, 2022 Share Posted April 17, 2022 1 hour ago, Gordon EF said: Great to see it was one of the scab clubs who voted for B teams that ended up missing out on 4th because of them. They won’t miss out. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon EF Posted April 17, 2022 Share Posted April 17, 2022 2 minutes ago, Pyramid Watcher said: They won’t miss out. Well, they have. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pyramid Watcher Posted April 17, 2022 Share Posted April 17, 2022 1 minute ago, Gordon EF said: Well, they have. I’m talking about the SPFL trust trophy. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon EF Posted April 17, 2022 Share Posted April 17, 2022 4 minutes ago, Pyramid Watcher said: I’m talking about the SPFL trust trophy. Well, yeah. This is what everyone's talking about. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lowland team Posted April 17, 2022 Share Posted April 17, 2022 1 hour ago, Gordon EF said: Great to see it was one of the scab clubs who voted for B teams that ended up missing out on 4th because of them. By the way you should get your facts correct!!!! before you even think about posting.css were one of the 5 last vote one of the 4 with the recent vote.and also one of the 7 who voted for change. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon EF Posted April 17, 2022 Share Posted April 17, 2022 4 minutes ago, Lowland team said: By the way you should get your facts correct!!!! before you even think about posting.css were one of the 5 last vote one of the 4 with the recent vote.and also one of the 7 who voted for change. Are you talking about Berwick Rangers? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FairWeatherFan Posted April 17, 2022 Author Share Posted April 17, 2022 21 minutes ago, Pyramid Watcher said: They won’t miss out. Clearly you're going to have to explain further. Are East Stirlingshire or Berwick Rangers expected to get the 4th invite? Is there an expectation of more or less than 4 invites? So there's nothing to miss out on. Or are you saying that the SPFL Trust Trophy is so trivial it won't be seen as a miss not participating? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lowland team Posted April 17, 2022 Share Posted April 17, 2022 13 minutes ago, Gordon EF said: Are you talking about Berwick Rangers? Thought you were talking about your delight about css missing 4th spot. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon EF Posted April 17, 2022 Share Posted April 17, 2022 8 minutes ago, Lowland team said: Thought you were talking about your delight about css missing 4th spot. Nah, CCS would have missed out either way. I'd have rather seen them get it. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted April 17, 2022 Share Posted April 17, 2022 Will Vale of Leithen inherit the title of Britain's worst team if they don't win their last fixture? They'd finish with fewer points than Fort William. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GNU_Linux Posted April 17, 2022 Share Posted April 17, 2022 23 minutes ago, welshbairn said: Will Vale of Leithen inherit the title of Britain's worst team if they don't win their last fixture? They'd finish with fewer points than Fort William. Wigtown & Bladnoch are bottom of the South of Scotland on four points with one game left to play against Caledonian Braves reserve team. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigkillie Posted April 17, 2022 Share Posted April 17, 2022 Clearly you're going to have to explain further. Are East Stirlingshire or Berwick Rangers expected to get the 4th invite? Is there an expectation of more or less than 4 invites? So there's nothing to miss out on. Or are you saying that the SPFL Trust Trophy is so trivial it won't be seen as a miss not participating? The Shire definitely thought the win clinched them a spot in it, they even tweeted about it at full time. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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