Lowland League 2021-22 General Chat

[FairWeatherFan]

Just looks like the Colts will influence the final SPFL Trust Trophy participant.

No Colts and Berwick have it pretty much sewn up. CSS would need to win their last two games and hope Berwick don't pick up anything in their last game.

In the real world though it's a 3 way fight between Berwick, CSS, and East Stirlingshire.

12/04/2022 Civil Service Strollers v. Bo'ness United
16/04/2022 Civil Service Strollers v. University of Stirling
16/04/2022 East Stirlingshire v. Berwick Rangers

 

[superbigal]

When are the lowland league calling their special general meeting to keep Vale in the league?
Joking aside the charlatans could probably actually do that.
One thing for sure they would vote in favour.

[Kennie]

On 01/04/2022 at 16:15, Burnieman said:

I'm hearing the LL is joining the HL in not taking part in any future "national" non-league cup.  Now left upto tier 6 and below.  They're as well forgetting about it and continuing with the South Challenge Cup which does include LL clubs.

Also looks like the fabled PWG is getting together to discuss prom/rel at all levels of the Pyramid.

That's probably the best reason I've heard so far for dropping the South Challenge Cup.

[Burnieman]

34 minutes ago, Kennie said:

That's probably the best reason I've heard so far for dropping the South Challenge Cup.

Not really, the LL isn't completely full of arsehole clubs (and hindsight is wonderful....)

Edited April 11, 2022 by Burnieman

[Dev]

39 minutes ago, Kennie said:

That's probably the best reason I've heard so far for dropping the South Challenge Cup.

Do you have in mind that the Highland League should drop their equivalent Cup - presumably they have one - and enter a national cup instead?  ...... or are you just fed up with the whole pyramid mess?

Edited April 11, 2022 by Dev
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[archieb]

7 hours ago, superbigal said:

When are the lowland league calling their special general meeting to keep Vale in the league?
Joking aside the charlatans could probably actually do that.
One thing for sure they would vote in favour.
 

It's a long shot but, if Cowdenbeath win their last 3 games and Elgin lose theirs, with a 9 goal plus swing in GD, Elgin would finish bottom of Div2. If Elgin then lose the playoffs to Bonnyrigg, that would leave the LL a team down and they could reprieve VoL! (or dump VoL & let the Jammies buy their way in!)

Of course, one more point for Elgin or a draw/defeat for Cowdenbeath and that scenario is dead, fortunately.

[LongTimeLurker]

7 hours ago, Kennie said:

That's probably the best reason I've heard so far for dropping the South Challenge Cup.

If they are not going to open up pro/rel there definitely should be consequences.

[peternapper]

7 hours ago, Dev said:

Do you have in mind that the Highland League should drop their equivalent Cup - presumably they have one - and enter a national cup instead?  ...... or are you just fed up with the whole pyramid mess?

The Highland League should steer well clear of the Lowland one in which the majority of members deserve to be cast adrift after selling the whole pyramid idea up the swanee for a pittance from the OF. 

[parsforlife]

8 hours ago, Dev said:

Do you have in mind that the Highland League should drop their equivalent Cup - presumably they have one - and enter a national cup instead?  ...... or are you just fed up with the whole pyramid mess?

The HL doesn’t have a south challenge cup equivalent. The north challenge cup died as soon as sfa supplements stopped.

The HL are absolutely not fed up with the pyramid, that’s nonsense, they’ve recently promoted a champion club and signed up to a tier 6 system that has their clubs being relegated. 

Whilst there’s a lot of arguments that the LL doesn’t contain the best clubs in the region I don’t think there’s much argument in the HL, two of the three regions didn’t produce a licensed champion and the other champion recently refused promotion.

I Can’t see a national non-league cup containing tier 5 in the short or medium term

[Blackie Gold]

On 09/04/2022 at 09:42, AlansHotBath said:

Have you tried renaming yourselves Kilmarnock B?

Now there's a suggestion but we don't have the brown envelope I'm afraid.

[RossBFaeDundee]

12 hours ago, superbigal said:

When are the lowland league calling their special general meeting to keep Vale in the league?
Joking aside the charlatans could probably actually do that.
One thing for sure they would vote in favour.
 

Nah, these guys are parasites. When they're all put in danger, they'll huddle together to protect themselves from consequence. When just one is being sacrificed for a likelier better money draw like Talbot/Pollok/Darvel/Penicuik/Tranent/Linlithgow compared to Vale of Leithen, they'll happily accept that added money source.

Edited April 11, 2022 by RossBFaeDundee

[Pyramid Watcher]

18 hours ago, RossBFaeDundee said:

Nah, these guys are parasites. When they're all put in danger, they'll huddle together to protect themselves from consequence. When just one is being sacrificed for a likelier better money draw like Talbot/Pollok/Darvel/Penicuik/Tranent/Linlithgow compared to Vale of Leithen, they'll happily accept that added money source.

No different to any Of the SPFL leagues.

[Burnieman]

32 minutes ago, Pyramid Watcher said:

No different to any Of the SPFL leagues.

The LL should be trying to be different, setting an example instead of becoming a mirror image.

[FairWeatherFan]

On 09/04/2022 at 21:31, FairWeatherFan said:

Just looks like the Colts will influence the final SPFL Trust Trophy participant.

No Colts and Berwick have it pretty much sewn up. CSS would need to win their last two games and hope Berwick don't pick up anything in their last game.

In the real world though it's a 3 way fight between Berwick, CSS, and East Stirlingshire.

12/04/2022 Civil Service Strollers v. Bo'ness United
16/04/2022 Civil Service Strollers v. University of Stirling
16/04/2022 East Stirlingshire v. Berwick Rangers

 

After tonight's win CSS look likely for the last SPFL Trust Trophy spot. Berwick need to win and hope CSS lose.

[Marshmallo]

16 hours ago, FairWeatherFan said:

After tonight's win CSS look likely for the last SPFL Trust Trophy spot. Berwick need to win and hope CSS lose.

Has this definitely been confirmed? I listened to the LL catch up with the LL chairman and he'd said guest clubs would be removed from the final table, but didn't elaborate on what that meant.

[AlansHotBath]

18 hours ago, Marshmallo said:

Has this definitely been confirmed? I listened to the LL catch up with the LL chairman and he'd said guest clubs would be removed from the final table, but didn't elaborate on what that meant.

Any time I've seen someone from Shire talk about this it's been that we need to finish top 6 after the OF have been taken out, no mention of also scrubbing the points gained against them. Unsurprisingly, there's no word from the league itself - their new social media output is limited to nice match graphics rather than actual news 

[FairWeatherFan]

This is the rule. It starts off by saying points are counted amongst those in MEMBERSHIP. Technically Guest Clubs aren't members so you think that none of the points against them count.

After total points its Goal Difference-Goals Scored-Playoff Match with penalties if needed as tiebreakers. However, then at the very end H3 e) Guest Clubs do count and will be included in the calculation of league positions. 

So they either do count, don't count or only count as a final tiebreaker if the LL Board decides not to have a Playoff Match for those tied?

Dunno. By the way the LL is now up to version 19 of their rulebook.

[LongTimeLurker]

^^^blindingly obvious that that the intent of whoever drafted the rule was that the games involving the guest clubs do count in determining point totals and goal difference but that the OF clubs' final totals have no relevance in issues related to position such as determining the overall champion, relegation issues and who qualified for the League Cup. This is more map of Luncarty with a line through it level stuff.

On 12/04/2022 at 17:53, Burnieman said:

The LL should be trying to be different, setting an example instead of becoming a mirror image.

^^^hard to believe how naive some people can be sometimes. It's been obvious for years that the clique that founded the LL had a self-interest agenda but some people became completely obsessed with a very tribalistic juniors bad and backward vs nonleague seniors good and progressive narrative so the motives of that clique had to be portrayed as being as pure as the driven snow.

The most shrill posters on here even wound up bitterly opposing a plan from the SFA to split the LL into east and west tier 5 divisions that would have been in the long term interests of clubs from the east like Camelon and Blackburn. Twenty years from now Tom Johnston will have been long since consigned to the rubbish bin of Scottish football history and tier 5 will in all likelihood be skewed in membership terms towards clubs from the west and north with the east under-represented because of there only being two rather than three feeders.

Edited April 14, 2022 by LongTimeLurker

[AsimButtHitsASix]

21 minutes ago, LongTimeLurker said:

The most shrill posters on here even wound up bitterly opposing a plan from the SFA to split the LL into east and west tier 5 divisions

[Burnieman]

23 hours ago, LongTimeLurker said:

^^^hard to believe how naive some people can be sometimes. It's been obvious for years that the clique that founded the LL had a self-interest agenda but some people became completely obsessed with a very tribalistic juniors bad and backward vs nonleague seniors good and progressive narrative so the motives of that clique had to be portrayed as being as pure as the driven snow.

The most shrill posters on here even wound up bitterly opposing a plan from the SFA to split the LL into east and west tier 5 divisions that would have been in the long term interests of clubs from the east like Camelon and Blackburn. Twenty years from now Tom Johnston will have been long since consigned to the rubbish bin of Scottish football history and tier 5 will in all likelihood be skewed in membership terms towards clubs from the west and north with the east under-represented because of there only being two rather than three feeders.

Your level of revisionism has reached a new peak.  You got it badly wrong then and you continue to get it badly wrong now with a potent mix of stupidity, conspiracy, and just downright bad guesswork.

There was no "plan" to split the LL into East and West beyond a suggestion - from the WRJFA (option Z)  - at a time when there were a whole load of different "plans" being bandied about to integrate the West, and even if there was a "plan" the LL would not have agreed and neither would the SPFL.  You pushed it, and as ever you were pushing an idea that was an annoying distraction rather that a serious option. 

Basic facts that you cannot grasp, but use to throw out another bizarre revisionist post.  Give it up man, people are actually laughing at you, you never learn.

Edited April 15, 2022 by Burnieman