Inanimate Carbon Rod Posted March 22, 2022 Share Posted March 22, 2022 Quite simply the Lowland league diddies should be told no spfl promotion without them changing. Either that or Wosl just applies to be a proper tier 5 league unlike these donkeys. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongTimeLurker Posted March 22, 2022 Share Posted March 22, 2022 Just now, Inanimate Carbon Rod said: Quite simply the Lowland league diddies should be told no spfl promotion without them changing. Either that or Wosl just applies to be a proper tier 5 league unlike these donkeys. Ideally the SFA needs to find a way to intervene and force change like they did with the Club 42 playoff rule but that might not be easy in terms of the rulebook. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
parsforlife Posted March 22, 2022 Share Posted March 22, 2022 If the vote was as tight as that it does hint at hope it will change in the next season or two. VoL for example would almost be guaranteed to vote just for status quo, who ever comes up will likely to be inclined to want more opportunities for other larger tier 6 sides to join them. We could also possibly see Cowdenbeath come down but Bonnyrigg stay in the division. That adds another yes to change vote IMO. We vote this time next year and it could be 9-7 the other way. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shannon Posted March 22, 2022 Share Posted March 22, 2022 Lowland League board dictated that WOSFL Premier Division has either 5 or 7 relegated this season while they stay at 1 down (maybe). A complete shambles. 9 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shannon Posted March 22, 2022 Share Posted March 22, 2022 If the vote was as tight as that it does hint at hope it will change in the next season or two. VoL for example would almost be guaranteed to vote just for status quo, who ever comes up will likely to be inclined to want more opportunities for other larger tier 6 sides to join them. We could also possibly see Cowdenbeath come down but Bonnyrigg stay in the division. That adds another yes to change vote IMO. We vote this time next year and it could be 9-7 the other way. Will always be 9 or so teams scared of relegation in my opinion in a 16 team league. East Stirling and Berwick might be for 3 up and 3 down now for example but once end up a bottom half team they won't vote for it. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grinderbrokeyourhearts Posted March 22, 2022 Share Posted March 22, 2022 Therein lies the problem, they are in a stalemate situation, the LL won’t do anything until the SPFL open up.They’ll do it first. Those former juniors will vote for it whereas your LL founders are not enjoying the thought of disappearing. It’s disappointing but understandable if you run one of those clubs. You only have to look at the South Challenge to see there’s stronger teams below the LL than in it.The only way out of this short term is to broker a 2 up 2 down with the creation of a Lowland League 2. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirk St Moritz Posted March 22, 2022 Share Posted March 22, 2022 2 minutes ago, Shannon said: Lowland League board dictated that WOSFL Premier Division has either 5 or 7 relegated this season while they stay at 1 down (maybe). A complete shambles. No they never, it was the SFA that did this, you are spreading incorrect information. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirk St Moritz Posted March 22, 2022 Share Posted March 22, 2022 (edited) 19 minutes ago, Inanimate Carbon Rod said: Quite simply the Lowland league diddies should be told no spfl promotion without them changing. Either that or Wosl just applies to be a proper tier 5 league unlike these donkeys. Ironically every team in the WOSFL could have applied to be a proper Tier 5 several years ago, but opted not to. They now want to run the show before even completing a full season in the Pyramid and before they have even balanced their own conferences, which seems premature. But for what it's worth, I think there should be greater promotion and relegation. Edited March 22, 2022 by Kirk St Moritz 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FairWeatherFan Posted March 22, 2022 Author Share Posted March 22, 2022 The Lowland League have cover in the Highland League. It's kind of hard to force anything on them when they technically have a better format than the Highland League. If it is 9-7 I doubt it will last long for a change. If the Tier 6 leagues put pressure on them between now and the AGM. Maybe it could be put on the AGM agenda for another vote. As by the time the AGM rolls around there will have been some changes. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FairWeatherFan Posted March 22, 2022 Author Share Posted March 22, 2022 1 minute ago, Kirk St Moritz said: Ironically every team in the WOSFL could have applied to be a proper Tier 5 several years ago, but opted not to. They now want to run the show before even completing a full season in the Pyramid and before they have even balanced their own conferences, which seems premature. But for what it's worth, I think there should be greater promotion and relegation. Now they want what everyone has been spent years asking for. This isn't a new thing. It hasn't anything to do with the WoSFL. The LL can't hide behind that bollocks. The LL has benefited from two COVID curtailed saving clubs from relegation and lined their pockets by accepting in the colts. Not too long ago they were seen as custodians of the pyramid, now they're simply gatekeepers. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirk St Moritz Posted March 22, 2022 Share Posted March 22, 2022 2 minutes ago, FairWeatherFan said: Now they want what everyone has been spent years asking for. This isn't a new thing. It hasn't anything to do with the WoSFL. The LL can't hide behind that bollocks. The LL has benefited from two COVID curtailed saving clubs from relegation and lined their pockets by accepting in the colts. Not too long ago they were seen as custodians of the pyramid, now they're simply gatekeepers. The LL League currently offer more promotion and relegation than the HL and the SPFL in the Pyramid, but I would also like to see it open up more. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grinderbrokeyourhearts Posted March 22, 2022 Share Posted March 22, 2022 It’s the reason a lot of teams didn’t join first off. To be blunt some of these teams are falsely playing at a higher level and as long as that remains you’ll have fans thinking it’s a league of diddy teams (incorrectly imo but that’s the perception).The product will improve and teams will get to the SPFL quicker if they find a solution. That said, the EOSP for example is a great league as it stands with the cup football bringing a bit of variety. It’s a much more balanced league than the LL where nearly every team can beat another. So it’s not a chore being there. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pyramid Watcher Posted March 22, 2022 Share Posted March 22, 2022 32 minutes ago, Inanimate Carbon Rod said: Quite simply the Lowland league diddies should be told no spfl promotion without them changing. Either that or Wosl just applies to be a proper tier 5 league unlike these donkeys. I do love a balanced, well reasoned debate. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pyramid Watcher Posted March 22, 2022 Share Posted March 22, 2022 2 minutes ago, grinderbrokeyourhearts said: It’s the reason a lot of teams didn’t join first off. To be blunt some of these teams are falsely playing at a higher level and as long as that remains you’ll have fans thinking it’s a league of diddy teams (incorrectly imo but that’s the perception). The product will improve and teams will get to the SPFL quicker if they find a solution. That said, the EOSP for example is a great league as it stands with the cup football bringing a bit of variety. It’s a much more balanced league than the LL where nearly every team can beat another. So it’s not a chore being there. I’m not sure you can say they are falsely playing at a higher level. These teams took the opportunity to play in the league when it was presented to them, it’s not their fault that others didn’t. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glensmad Posted March 22, 2022 Share Posted March 22, 2022 (edited) 38 minutes ago, Shannon said: Lowland League board dictated that WOSFL Premier Division has either 5 or 7 relegated this season while they stay at 1 down (maybe). A complete shambles. That's not true. The Scottish FA dictated that there had to be a WoSFL Premier League, and politics after that dictated that it would be a 20-team league reducing down to 16 teams as soon as possible. The Lowland League board wanted all-in Conferences in the WoSFL. Edited March 22, 2022 by glensmad 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Marshmallo Posted March 22, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted March 22, 2022 To a certain type of fans of Scottish football (ie goons like me), the Lowland League could in theory be the most interesting and fun league in Scotland - loads of teams with decent sized supports, rich history and unique stadiums in areas of Scotland which are typically a bit under-represented in Scottish football (eg swathes of Ayrshire, West Lothian). You'd have a mixing of ex-SPFL clubs, Junior giants and teams with EoS and SoS history playing each other. There's a really healthy tier 6 which could inject a lot of new interesting matches into the league every season. As it is, you have elements of the above, but you've also got two B teams who have taken the piss out the league all season, clubs playing to two men and a dug in massive empty lego stadiums and whatever Edusport are meant to be. On top of that, the gap from top to bottom is giant and it's nearly impossible to get relegated. It's a crying shame what the actual league looks like versus what it could be. 20 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigkillie Posted March 22, 2022 Share Posted March 22, 2022 Ironically every team in the WOSFL could have applied to be a proper Tier 5 several years ago, but opted not to. They now want to run the show before even completing a full season in the Pyramid and before they have even balanced their own conferences, which seems premature. But for what it's worth, I think there should be greater promotion and relegation.Every team in the LL could have applied to join the SFL when Gretna went bust, I don't know what that has to do with anything here.The Lowland League have nuked every remaining piece of credibility they once had over the last 18 months or so, and I cannot wait to get my grave dancing shoes out when the likes of Vale of Leithen, Gretna, Edusport, Broomhill and East Kilbride eventually plunge to their natural level in the next few years. 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FairWeatherFan Posted March 22, 2022 Author Share Posted March 22, 2022 12 minutes ago, Pyramid Watcher said: I’m not sure you can say they are falsely playing at a higher level. These teams took the opportunity to play in the league when it was presented to them, it’s not their fault that others didn’t. 2 curtailed seasons mean clubs are not where they would be otherwise. That's without going into the minutiae of events spanning a decade. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pyramid Watcher Posted March 22, 2022 Share Posted March 22, 2022 Just now, FairWeatherFan said: 2 curtailed seasons mean clubs are not where they would be otherwise. That's without going into the minutiae of events spanning a decade. Again, it’s not their fault, there is not much you can do about a pandemic. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FairWeatherFan Posted March 22, 2022 Author Share Posted March 22, 2022 Just now, Pyramid Watcher said: Again, it’s not their fault, there is not much you can do about a pandemic. And you can't pretend it's not a false position. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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