AsimButtHitsASix Posted September 16, 2021 Share Posted September 16, 2021 31 minutes ago, jamamafegan said: In the article Petrie refers to the colts as “guest clubs.” What other reputable footballing nations have leagues in the national set-up where they invite “guest clubs?” It just sounds absolutely pathetic to me. The whole thing has been an embarrassing shambles. Best thing for the Lowland League to do now is to expel the OF colts from the league, create more promotion/relegation spots and put this sorry mess behind them. UEFA/FIFA doing it with putting Qatar in a European Qualifying group this year. CONMEBOL/CONCICAF tournaments for both club and national sides have involved guest sides. The Challenge Cup has had them for five years. The A-League, Malaysian, Hong Kong and Singapore leagues have had, or still have, guest clubs in their top flight. I'm sure there's more. 12 minutes ago, GNU_Linux said: Also this fascination with the boundry the SFA have is bizzare considering none of the 5 SPFL clubs in Tayside are going to be near being club 42. Coulda said the same for Brechin for the decade before 2018 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigkillie Posted September 16, 2021 Share Posted September 16, 2021 (edited) 20 hours ago, Dev said: Whether anyone likes it or not either the rules need to be OK'd by the SFA or they do not. If they need to be OK'd then the SFA has a duty of care to deal with that in good time and that has not happened. If they don't need to be OK'd then this is the SFA (and SPFL?) bringing the game into disrepute, isn't it? This is a gross oversimplification of the issue. The SFA have no problem with the B teams being included in the Lowland League - that part of the rules is not an issue. The Lowland League could quite happily go ahead and complete the season with the current rules without any sanction. The issue is that the Lowland League want to be able to allow a team who are not the actual league champions to go forward to the playoffs, and Fraser appears to have misled the clubs that this agreement was already in place even though it was not. Therefore, if they stick with the current rules it is possible that, if a B team wins the league, whoever finishes 2nd/3rd behind them would not be eligible to compete in the promotion play-offs. This is where the current stand-off comes in. The Lowland League has to decide whether to revert to their old rules (which, in the words of Steve Clarke, means bye bye Rangers and bye bye Celtic) and ensure that their champions can be promoted, or stick with the current rules and make whatever other changes are necessary in order to allow the SFA to agree to their proposal of putting 2nd/3rd into the play-offs. Edited September 17, 2021 by craigkillie 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PastyMan Posted September 16, 2021 Share Posted September 16, 2021 Why don't the LL stick 2 fingers up to the SFA? The OF Colts in the LL is a mistake but they joined on the understanding they would not be promoted. So just revert to existing rules, wipe out the existing results and play all the remaining scheduled fixtures as "friendlies". Everyone happy? (bar the SFA an Brechin ) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigkillie Posted September 16, 2021 Share Posted September 16, 2021 Stick two fingers up to the SFA by having an embarrassing climbdown over something everyone told them was a bad idea 4 months ago. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongTimeLurker Posted September 16, 2021 Share Posted September 16, 2021 18 minutes ago, PastyMan said: Why don't the LL stick 2 fingers up to the SFA? ... It's not clear that reverting to the old rules is enough to get them out of the woods on challenges to the validity of their champion for the Club 42 playoff (or in addition to that their ability to relegate clubs at the bottom at that point) because around a third of their league season has already been played under an unapproved set of rules. This will arguably have had an effect on non-OF games played as well because, for example, suspensions will have been applied based on yellow and red cards in games against the colt teams. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PastyMan Posted September 16, 2021 Share Posted September 16, 2021 2 minutes ago, LongTimeLurker said: It's not clear that reverting to the old rules is enough to get them out of the woods on challenges to the validity of their champion for the Club 42 playoff (or in addition to that their ability to relegate clubs at the bottom at that point) because around a third of their league season has already been played under an unapproved set of rules. This will arguably have had an effect on non-OF games played as well because, for example, suspensions will have been applied based on yellow and red cards in games against the colt teams. Good point but takes us further through the Looking Glass. On what basis are the SFA CURRENTLY administering disciplinary offences in regard to these games? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongTimeLurker Posted September 16, 2021 Share Posted September 16, 2021 (edited) 12 minutes ago, PastyMan said: Good point but takes us further through the Looking Glass. On what basis are the SFA CURRENTLY administering disciplinary offences in regard to these games? Apparently Version 16 that they are only willing to sign off on subject to changes to the playoff rules that all the other parties involved want. Most of the LL now appear to want to do a U-turn on Version 16 to avoid said playoff rule change. Arguably new LL rules potentially revolving around not having the top placed team as champion opened that issue up as that has a direct impact on how the playoffs are conducted and could be portrayed as a change to the original agreement that the other parties had to approve. Edited September 16, 2021 by LongTimeLurker 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AsimButtHitsASix Posted September 16, 2021 Share Posted September 16, 2021 If one of the teams who voted in the Colts finishes 2nd behind a B team and gets dingied out of their chance of promotion I'll laugh so hard ye'd think Thatcher had died all over again 18 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongTimeLurker Posted September 16, 2021 Share Posted September 16, 2021 (edited) Spartans are the most likely candidate for that. 4 points back of Bonnyrigg in fourth. The other non-colt teams in the top 6, Bonnyrigg, CSS and Dalbeattie, all voted against AFAIR. Edited September 16, 2021 by LongTimeLurker 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burnieman Posted September 16, 2021 Share Posted September 16, 2021 At least it's now clear that the SFA President is blackmailing the Lowland League clubs to dance to his obsessive tune. This should be the story, and it's one the whole of Scottish football should be concerned about. 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PastyMan Posted September 16, 2021 Share Posted September 16, 2021 15 minutes ago, Burnieman said: At least it's now clear that the SFA President is blackmailing the Lowland League clubs to dance to his obsessive tune. This should be the story, and it's one the whole of Scottish football should be concerned about. Absolutely and why on earth would they waste so much political capital for so little gain? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burnieman Posted September 16, 2021 Share Posted September 16, 2021 1 minute ago, PastyMan said: Absolutely and why on earth would they waste so much political capital for so little gain? It's hard to fathom, probably Petrie looking after old friends and acquaintances which is what goes on behind closed doors at Hampden, he's a snake oil salesman. The next in line for the top job isn't any better and is perhaps worse. The LL need to stand their ground, revert to last seasons rules and let the SFA deal with the fallout of the OF being booted. Will the SFA want that blame on their heads? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
parsforlife Posted September 16, 2021 Share Posted September 16, 2021 You went into bed with the OF, didn’t use protection and now you’re riddled. It’s all you deserve, it was ridiculously obvious it was a bad idea. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FairWeatherFan Posted September 16, 2021 Author Share Posted September 16, 2021 The moment when he gets asked if the SFA & SPFL have okay'd this, and that one of the first things he did was check with the SFA. I'm going to guess he was chatting with the wrong people. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bravehearts dad Posted September 16, 2021 Share Posted September 16, 2021 4 hours ago, craigkillie said: Stick two fingers up to the SFA by having an embarrassing climbdown over something everyone told them was a bad idea 4 months ago. And happily return the £50K C’mon The Rose 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitburn Vale Posted September 17, 2021 Share Posted September 17, 2021 Oh goody,looks like Fraserburgh are gonna get a free hit at the play-off baw..... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newcastle broon Posted September 17, 2021 Share Posted September 17, 2021 36 minutes ago, Whitburn Vale said: Oh goody,looks like Fraserburgh are gonna get a free hit at the play-off baw..... Have they got a relegation spot in place up there yet? Aye but a free hit at the play off. -3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambo'ness Posted September 17, 2021 Share Posted September 17, 2021 14 hours ago, bravehearts dad said: And happily return the £50K C’mon The Rose You mean the £50k nobody has seen yet? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
morley Posted September 17, 2021 Share Posted September 17, 2021 (edited) Do we know what the nature of the agreement is between the LL and Old Firm colts in a situation where they are kicked out mid season. Might the LL actually be liable to have to pay off the Old Firm clubs to leave? Edited September 17, 2021 by morley 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G51 Posted September 17, 2021 Share Posted September 17, 2021 Don’t really know why the SFA are bothering with this. They have almost no leverage. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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