bennett Posted October 10, 2021 Share Posted October 10, 2021 When Patterson first got touted for the Scotland team I felt that he lacked the experience needed for this level and was a few years away from a call up. If we're going to play him then the fans will have to accept that he'll make a few errors along the way. Steven Clarke obviously believes that he's got what it takes to play there and in the second half he repaid the managers faith in him. Playing younger players will always have ups and downs. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2426255 Posted October 10, 2021 Share Posted October 10, 2021 27 minutes ago, bennett said: When Patterson first got touted for the Scotland team I felt that he lacked the experience needed for this level and was a few years away from a call up. If we're going to play him then the fans will have to accept that he'll make a few errors along the way. Steven Clarke obviously believes that he's got what it takes to play there and in the second half he repaid the managers faith in him. Playing younger players will always have ups and downs. The lad had a tough night, no need for knee jerk reactions. We need to work with him lift him up when he's finding it hard not just discard him. Disappointing if not surprising to see folk turn on players on here whether it's Nathan Patterson or Stephen O'Donnell. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robin.Hood Posted October 10, 2021 Share Posted October 10, 2021 36 minutes ago, eez-eh said: This is absolute dinosaur mentality. 19 year old who tries to keep a hold of the ball, as he’s no doubt been encouraged to do his entire youth career, gets lambasted for not launching the ball out of the park because someone else gave away a foul before a wonderfully struck free kick a few moments later. 5 minute into the game and he was trying to take on the Shakhtar winger. He was never getting out that tricky situation. He just needed to play a simple ball... something he struggled with all half. 4 player went over to him to have word ( brilliant as second half he did great) Odonnell make these mistakes people would have called for his head. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2426255 Posted October 10, 2021 Share Posted October 10, 2021 46 minutes ago, eez-eh said: This is absolute dinosaur mentality. 19 year old who tries to keep a hold of the ball, as he’s no doubt been encouraged to do his entire youth career, gets lambasted for not launching the ball out of the park because someone else gave away a foul before a wonderfully struck free kick a few moments later. 5 minutes ago, Robin.Hood said: 5 minute into the game and he was trying to take on the Shakhtar winger. He was never getting out that tricky situation. He just needed to play a simple ball... something he struggled with all half. 4 player went over to him to have word ( brilliant as second half he did great) Odonnell make these mistakes people would have called for his head. Yeah, I think he is a young defender and made some pretty bad errors of judgement in the first half, it's not a dinosaur mentality to not want defenders dribbling around the 18 yard box. O'Donnell would have been slaughtered if he had played like that I'd agree 100% with that. They're both good options at RWB but neither are the perfect answer at the moment. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eez-eh Posted October 10, 2021 Share Posted October 10, 2021 3 minutes ago, Robin.Hood said: 5 minute into the game and he was trying to take on the Shakhtar winger. He was never getting out that tricky situation. He just needed to play a simple ball... something he struggled with all half. 4 player went over to him to have word ( brilliant as second half he did great) Odonnell make these mistakes people would have called for his head. There was no simple ball on, his only other option would have been to punt the ball in hope where it could easily just have came straight back to us. You say it was 5 minutes in - how does that make it any worse? If there were only 5 minutes left I could see the point but if anything the fact that it happened so early on is better as there’s more time to come back from it. He made mistakes of course but I don’t understand the furore that this one caused. Pretty much every match thread I’ve read on here is full of people bemoaning our lack of technical players, but now when we have players who try to use their own skill to get out of a tricky situation, rather than punt it and hope for the best, it gets blown out of proportion if it goes wrong. I’d be willing to bet that any decent youth coach Patterson has worked under would have encouraged him to exactly as he did. Only in the U.K. would supporters be making such a meal out of this, and people wonder why we’ve been shite for ages. -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJF Posted October 10, 2021 Share Posted October 10, 2021 12 minutes ago, Robin.Hood said: 5 minute into the game and he was trying to take on the Shakhtar winger. He was never getting out that tricky situation. He just needed to play a simple ball... something he struggled with all half. 4 player went over to him to have word ( brilliant as second half he did great) Odonnell make these mistakes people would have called for his head. That’s absolutely correct, and O’Donnell has made mistakes and has been criticised for it, just the same as happened last night with Patterson. But for people to say “O’Donnell wouldn’t have done that” or “O’Donnell should’ve started” as we saw last night are silly comments. The fact of the matter is Clarke trusted Patterson over him in our biggest qualifying match of the campaign and after a poor first half, he then went on to perform well. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ken Deans Posted October 10, 2021 Share Posted October 10, 2021 Hardly fair to lambast young Patterson who will offer improvement going forward. Sid let's not forget had recent mares against the Czechs and Croats even though I love his attitude 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigkillie Posted October 10, 2021 Share Posted October 10, 2021 3 minutes ago, eez-eh said: There was no simple ball on, his only other option would have been to punt the ball in hope where it could easily just have came straight back to us. You say it was 5 minutes in - how does that make it any worse? If there were only 5 minutes left I could see the point but if anything the fact that it happened so early on is better as there’s more time to come back from it. So what if the ball came straight back to us? We would have been set defensively and would have been confident of defending against that propely. Instead he put us under pressure immediately by making a bad decision and that led directly to a goal. No coach worth their salt is actually going to tell a player to dribble and keep possession in every circumstance, particularly early on in a game when you haven't yet got a handle on your direct opponent and whether you actually have the beating of him. That's a learning experience for him - he might have got away with that against inferior players in youth football or most of the teams he's played against for Rangers, but it's a different story against higher level opposition who will punish you. The one thing I like the most about Patterson is his attitude - after the horrendous first half it would have been very easy for him to fold and hide away, but he did quite the opposite in the second half. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2426255 Posted October 10, 2021 Share Posted October 10, 2021 4 minutes ago, AJF said: The fact of the matter is Clarke trusted Patterson over him in our biggest qualifying match of the campaign and after a poor first half, he then went on to perform well. You are so biased mate. O'Donnell was trusted in our previous biggest qualifying match of the campaign against Austria and whoever starts against the Faroes will be in our next biggest qualifying match of the campaign. Just a Rangers fan biased towards a Rangers player. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robin.Hood Posted October 10, 2021 Share Posted October 10, 2021 15 minutes ago, eez-eh said: There was no simple ball on, his only other option would have been to punt the ball in hope where it could easily just have came straight back to us. You say it was 5 minutes in - how does that make it any worse? If there were only 5 minutes left I could see the point but if anything the fact that it happened so early on is better as there’s more time to come back from it. He made mistakes of course but I don’t understand the furore that this one caused. Pretty much every match thread I’ve read on here is full of people bemoaning our lack of technical players, but now when we have players who try to use their own skill to get out of a tricky situation, rather than punt it and hope for the best, it gets blown out of proportion if it goes wrong. I’d be willing to bet that any decent youth coach Patterson has worked under would have encouraged him to exactly as he did. Only in the U.K. would supporters be making such a meal out of this, and people wonder why we’ve been shite for ages. 7 minutes ago, craigkillie said: So what if the ball came straight back to us? We would have been set defensively and would have been confident of defending against that propely. Instead he put us under pressure immediately by making a bad decision and that led directly to a goal. No coach worth their salt is actually going to tell a player to dribble and keep possession in every circumstance, particularly early on in a game when you haven't yet got a handle on your direct opponent and whether you actually have the beating of him. That's a learning experience for him - he might have got away with that against inferior players in youth football or most of the teams he's played against for Rangers, but it's a different story against higher level opposition who will punish you. The one thing I like the most about Patterson is his attitude - after the horrendous first half it would have been very easy for him to fold and hide away, but he did quite the opposite in the second half. This c**t worded far better than what I did. Biggest thing for me is he came out second half and did really well and showed alot of desire. But that first half from the word go he had a shocker. A learning curve for sure. No further comment for me on this. He should be starting again on Tueeday. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2426255 Posted October 10, 2021 Share Posted October 10, 2021 (edited) 20 minutes ago, craigkillie said: So what if the ball came straight back to us? We would have been set defensively and would have been confident of defending against that propely. Instead he put us under pressure immediately by making a bad decision and that led directly to a goal. No coach worth their salt is actually going to tell a player to dribble and keep possession in every circumstance, particularly early on in a game when you haven't yet got a handle on your direct opponent and whether you actually have the beating of him. That's a learning experience for him - he might have got away with that against inferior players in youth football or most of the teams he's played against for Rangers, but it's a different story against higher level opposition who will punish you. The one thing I like the most about Patterson is his attitude - after the horrendous first half it would have been very easy for him to fold and hide away, but he did quite the opposite in the second half. Well said! it's a point of view to think it's as eez-eh as getting our defenders to start dribbling around the back as if we're brazil haha. Edited October 10, 2021 by Tynierose -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eez-eh Posted October 10, 2021 Share Posted October 10, 2021 I never know if I should be complemented or slightly disturbed about how often this c**t slips my username into his posts. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eez-eh Posted October 10, 2021 Share Posted October 10, 2021 32 minutes ago, craigkillie said: So what if the ball came straight back to us? We would have been set defensively and would have been confident of defending against that propely. Instead he put us under pressure immediately by making a bad decision and that led directly to a goal. No coach worth their salt is actually going to tell a player to dribble and keep possession in every circumstance, particularly early on in a game when you haven't yet got a handle on your direct opponent and whether you actually have the beating of him. That's a learning experience for him - he might have got away with that against inferior players in youth football or most of the teams he's played against for Rangers, but it's a different story against higher level opposition who will punish you. The one thing I like the most about Patterson is his attitude - after the horrendous first half it would have been very easy for him to fold and hide away, but he did quite the opposite in the second half. I was responding to the post saying there was a simple ball to play as an alternative when in reality there wasn’t. It was kick and hope or try dribble out of it. He made the wrong decision as it turns out but I don’t blame him for it. I’m not saying it wasn’t a mistake but I don’t agree with how this one has been blown out of proportion. There was still a foul and a well struck free kick to come after he lost the ball, it’s not like he gave the ball away to an opponent who smashed the ball into the net two seconds later. Completely agree with both of you about how well he came back in the second half. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robin.Hood Posted October 10, 2021 Share Posted October 10, 2021 7 minutes ago, eez-eh said: I was responding to the post saying there was a simple ball to play as an alternative when in reality there wasn’t. It was kick and hope or try dribble out of it. He made the wrong decision as it turns out but I don’t blame him for it. So there was a simple ball to be made and he made a c**t of it. This resulted in leading to a foul straight after losing the ball I’m not saying it wasn’t a mistake but I don’t agree with how this one has been blown out of proportion. There was still a foul and a well struck free kick to come after he lost the ball, it’s not like he gave the ball away to an opponent who smashed the ball into the net two seconds later. it hasn't been blown out of proportion. He had a really dreadful first half. He just made a huge mistake in first five minutes which changed the game straight away without us even finding our feet. Completely agree with both of you about how well he came back in the second half. Glad we agree and see a bright future for the young lad. Let's go again on Tuesday 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coooombe Posted October 10, 2021 Share Posted October 10, 2021 1 hour ago, 2426255 said: You are so biased mate. O'Donnell was trusted in our previous biggest qualifying match of the campaign against Austria and whoever starts against the Faroes will be in our next biggest qualifying match of the campaign. Just a Rangers fan biased towards a Rangers player. Patterson was injured for the Austria game, so we don't know if Clarke would have picked him for that one. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJF Posted October 10, 2021 Share Posted October 10, 2021 1 hour ago, 2426255 said: You are so biased mate. O'Donnell was trusted in our previous biggest qualifying match of the campaign against Austria and whoever starts against the Faroes will be in our next biggest qualifying match of the campaign. Just a Rangers fan biased towards a Rangers player. In what way is anything that I said biased? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2426255 Posted October 10, 2021 Share Posted October 10, 2021 Everything you say is pro Rangers. -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elgin Macca Posted November 16, 2021 Share Posted November 16, 2021 A wee mention for this guy. Heart of a lion and loves playing for his country despite the stick he gets. Didn't put a foot wrong last night and kept their very strong left side quiet. More than contributed to a tremendous team performance 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
accies1874 Posted November 16, 2021 Share Posted November 16, 2021 That was a tough game for the wing-backs defensively. Denmark consistently gave them tough decisions to make positionally. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donathan Posted November 16, 2021 Share Posted November 16, 2021 Absolutely class last night He’s not a world beater but he’s incredibly reliable. I’m not sure that he’s not still our best option at RWB, although I really rate Patterson too. Lovely dilemma to have. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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