LongTimeLurker Posted May 21, 2022 Share Posted May 21, 2022 31 minutes ago, Steven W said: Syngenta missed a load of chances v Bathgate. With goal difference now very tight between, I wonder if they may live to regret all those misses They secured promotion with that 1-0 victory. Neither Bo'ness Athletic or Armadale Thistle can catch them now and at least two clubs will go up no matter what happens with Darvel and Tranent on the LL playoff. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Des18 Posted May 21, 2022 Share Posted May 21, 2022 Well done Sygenta although it was very nervy. Looking forward to clinching the title next week- goal difference going be decider I suspect. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Footballfirst Posted May 21, 2022 Share Posted May 21, 2022 4 hours ago, Dav nan Gael said: Whitburn 4 Stoneyburn 1 Whitburn promoted......... Scenes at Central Park,well done to all the players and staff. New challenges next season in the new EoSFL 2nd Division. A bit of a farce with the referees. The appointed ref and one assistant didn't turn up until 1:20pm thinking it was a normal 2:30pm ko. Ralph Gordon had to referee the game without assistants in the first half, despite having not refereed a game for maybe 10 years, and having "retired" as an assistant in senior games just last week. The ref in the second half still managed to rack up 8 yellows and a red card in 45 mins, despite there being barely one or two decisions worthy of a card. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dav nan Gael Posted May 21, 2022 Share Posted May 21, 2022 9 minutes ago, Footballfirst said: A bit of a farce with the referees. The appointed ref and one assistant didn't turn up until 1:20pm thinking it was a normal 2:30pm ko. Ralph Gordon had to referee the game without assistants in the first half, despite having not refereed a game for maybe 10 years, and having "retired" as an assistant in senior games just last week. The ref in the second half still managed to rack up 8 yellows and a red card in 45 mins, despite there being barely one or two decisions worthy of a card. Agree,was wondering what the hell was going on lol !! Syngenta and Whitburn could be battling it out at the top,next season again in EoSFL Division 2........... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongTimeLurker Posted May 21, 2022 Share Posted May 21, 2022 Three up three down between the divisions next season apparently. If Darvel do the business against Tranent I wouldn't be surprised if the three promoted Conference X teams do it again next time around judging from this season's cup performances. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
never been to scotland Posted May 21, 2022 Share Posted May 21, 2022 11 minutes ago, LongTimeLurker said: Three up three down between the divisions next season apparently. If Darvel do the business against Tranent I wouldn't be surprised if the three promoted Conference X teams do it again next time around judging from this season's cup performances. Are they not going to relegate more to even out the leagues? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongTimeLurker Posted May 21, 2022 Share Posted May 21, 2022 Haven't seen that mentioned anywhere but would be interesting to hear the details if somebody has. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saints1921 Posted May 21, 2022 Share Posted May 21, 2022 6 minutes ago, _FFC1876 said: So, if Darvel win the play-offs and Bo’ness win next weekend, Bo’ness will be promoted? Yes! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fraz_1311 Posted May 22, 2022 Share Posted May 22, 2022 15 hours ago, _FFC1876 said: So, if Darvel win the play-offs and Bo’ness win next weekend, Bo’ness will be promoted? Is it not if Tranent win ?? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FairWeatherFan Posted May 22, 2022 Share Posted May 22, 2022 9 minutes ago, Fraz_1311 said: Is it not if Tranent win ?? If Tranent win it's just two promoted from Conference X to give the EoS 16-16-18-9 If Darvel/St Cuthbert wins promotion the best 8th from the 1st Division Conferences and 3rd from Conferences X will be promoted to give 16-18-18-8. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dev Posted May 22, 2022 Share Posted May 22, 2022 18 hours ago, LongTimeLurker said: Three up three down between the divisions next season apparently. If Darvel do the business against Tranent I wouldn't be surprised if the three promoted Conference X teams do it again next time around judging from this season's cup performances. Conference X clubs have played 61 Cup matches against sides from the two Conference 1 divisions so far this season in the Traderadiators Challenge Cup, East of Scotland Qualifying Cup, King Cup, Alex Jack Cup and the League Cup. They've won 39 (almost two-thirds), drawn 3 and lost only 19. Presumably the Conference X sides took these matches seriously but the Conference 1 sides didn't. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongTimeLurker Posted May 22, 2022 Share Posted May 22, 2022 (edited) Not sure if you are being sarcastic with that last bit, but Conference X was placed in a false position (making no comment on who was to blame for that) in terms of the playing calibre of most of the clubs involved. It will probably take around 5 years for all the clubs involved in Conference X this season to find their appropriate level in the new four divisions EoS format but the seasons will soon pass and it will happen with clubs that are now higher than they really should be heading in the opposite direction. It's not at all clear what was achieved by keeping Craigroyston, Ormiston, Newburgh and Hawick at the second division level for next season but it is only delaying the inevitable. Edited May 22, 2022 by LongTimeLurker 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dev Posted May 22, 2022 Share Posted May 22, 2022 A year ago it was flagged up that the ex-Junior group coming into the league weren't a bunch of amateur clubs with no previous experience at EoS equivalent level i.e. save for Edinburgh College. There was criticism that Syngenta and Bo'ness United were effectively new clubs so that made three inexperienced clubs. The latter two did have a season at Junior level under their belts and Syngenta had wished to enter the EoS before. As already mentioned their then ground was not considered acceptable at the time. These two clubs have been at the top end of the Conference all season - Is that really such a surprise? It was also guessed that there would be new clubs wishing to enter the EoS at the bottom level this time around so there would be enough teams for a viable Conference X/Division 3 next season. As no new clubs have appeared Conf X/Div 3 will be a small league. Surely one reason why there are no new clubs this time around, at the bottom of the league, is that the bottom Conference/Division is entirely Lothians based. This possibility was glaringly obvious, and was flagged up, 12 months ago. At the same time no relegation was built into the structure of the Conference A and B divisions. Why should the bottom clubs in those divisions be spared when 5 or 6 clubs will be ejected from the Premier Division? There is absolutely no consistency in that decision. If the object is to have a truly competitive league throughout all divisions then this shambles needs to be addressed and the quicker the better. Otherwise it looks like the league is inward looking at best. This at a time when there is so much criticism of other leagues and divisions for not opening up the relegation and promotion opportunities. There is still time to deal with this in time for next season. If the Officers of the league put forward positive proposals would the clubs support changes in order to sort out these defects? If nothing happens then criticisms aimed at any other league or association won't will be meaningless. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongTimeLurker Posted May 22, 2022 Share Posted May 22, 2022 In another couple of seasons time almost all of this season's Conference X will probably have moved onto higher divisions and entering the EoS will no longer mean being in a West Lothian division. Maybe a few Borders clubs like Selkirk, Eyemouth, Duns and Kelso will give senior football a whirl again once Tweedmouth and Hawick are in their natural habitat and they wouldn't be getting humped 15-0 in mismatched conferences? What happened wasn't ideal but things have a way of sorting themselves out where the pyramid is concerned. Only 7 or 8 years ago Tom Johnston was still banging on about 100k toilet blocks. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pumphyman Posted May 23, 2022 Share Posted May 23, 2022 Great gesture from Syngenta 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwd440 Posted May 23, 2022 Share Posted May 23, 2022 12 hours ago, Dev said: At the same time no relegation was built into the structure of the Conference A and B divisions. Why should the bottom clubs in those divisions be spared when 5 or 6 clubs will be ejected from the Premier Division? There is absolutely no consistency in that decision. This season, all Conference A & B teams are at Division 1 level. The bottom 7/8/9 of each Conference will be relegated into Division 2 next season. Conference X is becoming Division 3. Placing any current Conference A or B teams into Division 3 would mean a drop of 2 divisions, which would be inconsistent. It's a little bit tough on the Conference X teams. but as LLL says, things will rectify themselves over the next 2-3 seasons. I think the league got their restructure about right. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PastyMan Posted May 23, 2022 Share Posted May 23, 2022 15 hours ago, Dev said: A year ago it was flagged up that the ex-Junior group coming into the league weren't a bunch of amateur clubs with no previous experience at EoS equivalent level i.e. save for Edinburgh College. There was criticism that Syngenta and Bo'ness United were effectively new clubs so that made three inexperienced clubs. The latter two did have a season at Junior level under their belts and Syngenta had wished to enter the EoS before. As already mentioned their then ground was not considered acceptable at the time. These two clubs have been at the top end of the Conference all season - Is that really such a surprise? It was also guessed that there would be new clubs wishing to enter the EoS at the bottom level this time around so there would be enough teams for a viable Conference X/Division 3 next season. As no new clubs have appeared Conf X/Div 3 will be a small league. Surely one reason why there are no new clubs this time around, at the bottom of the league, is that the bottom Conference/Division is entirely Lothians based. This possibility was glaringly obvious, and was flagged up, 12 months ago. At the same time no relegation was built into the structure of the Conference A and B divisions. Why should the bottom clubs in those divisions be spared when 5 or 6 clubs will be ejected from the Premier Division? There is absolutely no consistency in that decision. If the object is to have a truly competitive league throughout all divisions then this shambles needs to be addressed and the quicker the better. Otherwise it looks like the league is inward looking at best. This at a time when there is so much criticism of other leagues and divisions for not opening up the relegation and promotion opportunities. There is still time to deal with this in time for next season. If the Officers of the league put forward positive proposals would the clubs support changes in order to sort out these defects? If nothing happens then criticisms aimed at any other league or association won't will be meaningless. In terms of where responsibility lies for this though I'd say 90% self inflicted by the W Lothian clubs, 10% EoS. The EoS could have put an option of new Conferences for yet another season purely for the benefit of the W Lothian clubs but their allegiance went to the far larger number of clubs that had already moved and been given the promise of their future league structure. Overwhelmingly though this situation is down to those clubs which stuck two fingers up, repeatedly and vocally, embattled themselves into a West Lothian rump which would have had Tam Dalyell coining a new West Lothian Question which is simply "Why?". Btw there are still WL club committee men who rubbish the EoS and would jump at the chance to return to the Juniors. It's been a bizarre case of self harm for years now. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nittenrab Posted May 23, 2022 Share Posted May 23, 2022 4 hours ago, gwd440 said: This season, all Conference A & B teams are at Division 1 level. The bottom 7/8/9 of each Conference will be relegated into Division 2 next season. Conference X is becoming Division 3. Placing any current Conference A or B teams into Division 3 would mean a drop of 2 divisions, which would be inconsistent. It's a little bit tough on the Conference X teams. but as LLL says, things will rectify themselves over the next 2-3 seasons. I think the league got their restructure about right. Utter pish, what a feeble excuse to defend the League. 9 in a league when you have an 18 team league Division 2 full of mince above you. What incentives are there , ok we'll wait 2/3 years, utter nonsense. Bunch of amateurs. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FairWeatherFan Posted May 23, 2022 Share Posted May 23, 2022 They were never going to have a 3rd First Division Conference this season. The best people could have asked for is that there was further relegation from Conference A & B to get 16-16-16-12* Which would have guaranteed 9 of the current Conference X teams in the Third Division next season. Seems a lot of fuss over away days to Ormiston & Hawick. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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