vs Luxembourg

[DiegoDiego]

When his stock was arguably at its highest I'm suggesting? Conveniently forgetting him ending up playing for the reserves at Celtic and then going to Australia and Belgium. 

Not forgetting that at all. It makes no difference to the fact that his name would have been (and was) mentioned in the same sentence as "national team".

[TheScarf]

It's more likely that Souttar has to retire soon than play again for Scotland.

[Les Cabbage]

Who’d have foreseen a Scotland match thread descending into arguments about whether St Johnstone players are good enough to play for Scotland?

[DA Baracus]

Why should players of poor international teams be any slower than other players? Do folk genuinely believe that players from Luxembourg can't run as fast as players from better teams?!

[RandomGuy.]

45 minutes ago, Les Cabbage said:

Who’d have foreseen a Scotland match thread descending into arguments about whether St Johnstone players are good enough to play for Scotland?

Where have I said that?

I've been pretty open in saying I don't think any are. My point is simply that Souttar shouldn't even be ahead of Kerr in the pecking order, and is mentioned entirely because of hype he received as a 17yo, rather than his current status as a 25yo crock just promoted from the Scottish second tier.

[King Kebab]

What was the reason for Dykes goal being disallowed yesterday, offside or foul in the buildup???

[Dunning1874]

3 minutes ago, King Kebab said:

What was the reason for Dykes goal being disallowed yesterday, offside or foul in the buildup???

They said on the commentary that he handballed it, but Sky in their infinite wisdom didn't show a single replay of it. Obviously a disallowed goal isn't something people will be interested in rewatching.

They're genuinely worse than BBC Alba, thank f**k we don't have to suffer them at the tournament.

[edinabear]

11 hours ago, Mean Gene said:

What are you getting at? 

Some people are just stopping short of slavering about sevcooooo. Hatred of Rangers blinds them when they can't see how talented Patterson is. 

[craigkillie]

34 minutes ago, Dunning1874 said:

They said on the commentary that he handballed it, but Sky in their infinite wisdom didn't show a single replay of it. Obviously a disallowed goal isn't something people will be interested in rewatching.

They're genuinely worse than BBC Alba, thank f**k we don't have to suffer them at the tournament.

To be fair to Sky, I'm pretty sure their coverage would have come from the host broadcaster in Luxembourg.

[DiegoDiego]

Why should players of poor international teams be any slower than other players? Do folk genuinely believe that players from Luxembourg can't run as fast as players from better teams?!

To be fair, you don't exactly get an even distribution of nationalities making the Olympic 100m qualifying times.

[DA Baracus]

14 minutes ago, DiegoDiego said:

1 hour ago, DA Baracus said:

Why should players of poor international teams be any slower than other players? Do folk genuinely believe that players from Luxembourg can't run as fast as players from better teams?!

To be fair, you don't exactly get an even distribution of nationalities making the Olympic 100m qualifying times.

Doesn't mean Jamaica are going to win the World Cup.

[DiegoDiego]

Doesn't mean Jamaica are going to win the World Cup.

No, but it might explain why people assume that a nation which has produced a 100m Olympic champion might also produce faster footballers than a nation with one track and field medal in its existence.

[John Lambies Doos]

No, but it might explain why people assume that a nation which has produced a 100m Olympic champion might also produce faster footballers than a nation with one track and field medal in its existence.

Yeh but the real question is whether Serbian female high jumpers are more sexy than their Jamaican long legged 100m counterparts

[Paul Kersey]

5 minutes ago, John Lambies Doos said:

Yeh but the real question is whether Serbian female high jumpers are more sexy than their Jamaican long legged 100m counterparts

Pics or GTF

[DiegoDiego]

Yeh but the real question is whether Serbian female high jumpers are more sexy than their Jamaican long legged 100m counterparts

Speaking as someone who has dreamt about Blanka Vlašić, I'll, er... scrape the data and get back to you.

[Joe Terrapin]

Quelle Surprise, Sevco fans pretending they support Scotland because they have one current payer and one past player in the squad. If any other  right back had come on and put in the performance Patterson did last night they would have been slaughtered. He was sent out the park by a no mark Luxemburger and then failed to put in a decent cross despite numerous chances/attempts. One for the future yes but no chance he should be anywhere near the starting line up. Also......how fucking hard is it to spell Nisbet FFS.

Edited June 7, 2021 by Joe Terrapin

[Tony Wonder]

5 hours ago, RandomGuy. said:

He looked absolutely finished when he played in their loss to Brora m8, could barely move.

Says it all about this that you've got the option of an older player who's missed the last 2 season with multiple injuries, and who has been relegated and lost to Brora in the last 12 months, or a younger player who captains a top 6 side, has won multiple trophies, and plays the exact same system as Scotland every week, and you're banging the drum for the old cripple.

Presumably you either play FM and are sucked in by Souttars potential, or.youre forgetting its been about 8 years since he was breaking through and that mad United side were getting a ridiculous amount of hype.

He hasn't done the same Achilles 3 times. 

He never played at Brora.

He absolutely strolled through every game he did play when he came back, keeping 4 clean sheets on the bounce in his 4 appearances. 

You don't like Souttar, fair enough.  Don't just make things up though for the argument. 

[AJF]

9 minutes ago, Joe Terrapin said:

Quelle Surprise, Sevco fans pretending they support Scotland because they have one current payer and one past player in the squad.

[Dunning1874]

2 hours ago, craigkillie said:

To be fair to Sky, I'm pretty sure their coverage would have come from the host broadcaster in Luxembourg.

Yeah, fair point. Although perhaps they could have revisited it post-match if they'd actually bothered with a studio for analysis, rather than just having Crocker run through chances for 5 minutes.

Edited June 7, 2021 by Dunning1874

[DC92]

16 hours ago, RandomGuy. said:

John Souttar is comfortably worse than any CB selected by Scotland in the past 5 years,

I doubt he'd get in to many top 6 defences in Scotland, never mind the English Championship.

A horrendously over rated player based entirely on a myth built up that hes "good on the ball", that grows every season he misses because his chocolate legs are broken again.

I'm nowhere near giving Souttar a shout for Scotland, but he was a very good player in what was comfortably the 2nd or 3rd best defence in Scotland throughout 2017/18 and the early part of 2018/19 when he was fit. This coincided with the time he had his longest period of uninterrupted fitness. He wasn't as good when he returned from injury that season, but still easily good enough for anyone outside the Old Firm.

He's barely played since the end of that season, aside from a handful of games in Stendel's mental 2-at-the-back formation and a handful of games this season, in which he improved our defence immeasurably. From where he was at 21/22, it's not unreasonable to think he'd have gone on to be a decent option for Scotland by now. It's maybe a bit weird to yearn for that, though, given it's quite unlikely he'd be significantly better than what we have.

And he doesn't have chocolate legs, he has papier-mâché achilles tendons.

6 hours ago, RandomGuy. said:

He looked absolutely finished when he played in their loss to Brora m8, could barely move.

Says it all about this that you've got the option of an older player who's missed the last 2 season with multiple injuries, and who has been relegated and lost to Brora in the last 12 months, or a younger player who captains a top 6 side, has won multiple trophies, and plays the exact same system as Scotland every week, and you're banging the drum for the old cripple.

Presumably you either play FM and are sucked in by Souttars potential, or.youre forgetting its been about 8 years since he was breaking through and that mad United side were getting a ridiculous amount of hype.

He didn't even get on the pitch against Brora "m8", but it's quite telling that you've formed an opinion of his performance based entirely on your own imagination. We didn't concede a goal (or look like conceding a goal) in the 4 games he played at the end of the season, and it'd be extremely daft to put any blame on him for relegation.

As for people rating him on his Dundee United potential, there are also people on the opposite side of that spectrum. His Dundee United form dipped in their relegation season and he made a few mistakes in the early part of his Hearts career as well, leading to him becoming a bit of a figure of fun, despite his age. People decided then he was a myth, and weren't able to recognise the clear improvements in his game from 2017 onwards.

Unfortunately he is a crock now and there's a big question mark over whether he'll be able to get back to his previous level at Hearts (a very good Scottish Premiership defender), let alone establish himself as an international player.