BFTD Posted June 2, 2021 Share Posted June 2, 2021 36 minutes ago, NE63 exile said: Even after promotion/relegation was brought in a couple of clubs have been denied promotion as their grounds were deemed not suitable for a ground grading and were not gave time to get the work done. I remember that being quite common in the early days. The cut-off date for meeting the criteria was really tight to the end of the season, so there were clubs who found themselves in the title hunt and had a sudden dilemma about whether to spunk a load of money on improvements sharpish and risk it all being for nothing when they didn't win the league. Not quite as mental as the days when you needed a 10,000 seat ground to play in the SPL though. No riff-raff (that includes you, Falkirk). 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigkillie Posted June 2, 2021 Share Posted June 2, 2021 I think a proper pyramid system should have an automatic relegation, just as the English have. Our play-offs are different for every division - they should be consistent.Why does it matter if they're consistent for every division? They're not consistent in England either - they have two automatic promotion spots plus play-offs in the Championship and League 1, three automatic promotion spots plus play-offs in League 2, and one automatic promotion spot and a six-team play-off format in the National League. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ranaldo Bairn Posted June 2, 2021 Share Posted June 2, 2021 1 hour ago, craigkillie said: Why does it matter if they're consistent for every division? They're not consistent in England either - they have two automatic promotion spots plus play-offs in the Championship and League 1, three automatic promotion spots plus play-offs in League 2, and one automatic promotion spot and a six-team play-off format in the National League. Ssssshhhh. Everything the neighbours do is automatically better to some people. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AsimButtHitsASix Posted June 2, 2021 Share Posted June 2, 2021 19 hours ago, cowdenbeath said: It took England 8 years of the conference before automatic promotion was granted and just in recent years they have had the second promotion spot. The English done their top non league property as well it was the top non league sides in the Conference from day one. Up here we just chucked the Lowland League together in about 5 minutes. I do believe eventually there will be automatic promotion and relegation someday once we have a Lowland League which is the top 16 sides on merit. I don't think the original Alliance Premier had all the top sides in from day one. It was very Southern biased and a lot of Northern clubs dismissed it. Most of the clubs that made up that league didn't go on to spend much time in the league above and the majority have drifted downward and clubs that started way lower have overtook them. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cowdenbeath Posted June 2, 2021 Share Posted June 2, 2021 (edited) 3 hours ago, AsimButtHitsASix said: I don't think the original Alliance Premier had all the top sides in from day one. It was very Southern biased and a lot of Northern clubs dismissed it. Most of the clubs that made up that league didn't go on to spend much time in the league above and the majority have drifted downward and clubs that started way lower have overtook them. The original Alliance League had sides from both north and south. The only top league no to take part was the Northern League who resisted the pyramid for many years and feed into a lower level than they could have. A man who would know more of the ins and outs is @NE63 exile Edited June 2, 2021 by cowdenbeath 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NE63 exile Posted June 2, 2021 Share Posted June 2, 2021 The original Alliance League had sides from both north and south. The only top league no to take part was the Northern League who resisted the pyramid for many years and feed into a lower level than they could have. A man who would know more of the ins and outs is [mention=30765]NE63 exile[/mention]All the big hitters from the Southern League joined but a couple from the Northern Premier League didn’t. Can’t remember if Mossley didn’t get a ground grading or just knocked it back. They were Trophy finalists the season of the APL was formed. Southport knocked their invitation too on financial grounds.Blyth Spartans were offered the chance but didn’t want to move and the Isthmian League were not part of the pyramid like the Northern League at the time so it was a couple of seasons later until the likes of Enfield and Dagenham got the nod.Promotion was not compulsory until a few years ago. You had to put your name forward by a certain date if you didn’t that was it you couldn’t be considered for it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cowdenbeath Posted June 2, 2021 Share Posted June 2, 2021 10 minutes ago, NE63 exile said: All the big hitters from the Southern League joined but a couple from the Northern Premier League didn’t. Can’t remember if Mossley didn’t get a ground grading or just knocked it back. They were Trophy finalists the season of the APL was formed. Southport knocked their invitation too on financial grounds. Blyth Spartans were offered the chance but didn’t want to move and the Isthmian League were not part of the pyramid like the Northern League at the time so it was a couple of seasons later until the likes of Enfield and Dagenham got the nod. Promotion was not compulsory until a few years ago. You had to put your name forward by a certain date if you didn’t that was it you couldn’t be considered for it. I knew the clubs up your way weren’t for it, didn’t realise other north sides didn’t go for it, same for some down south. I have a book about the league as well needing to dig it out and refresh the memory. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamamafegan Posted June 4, 2021 Share Posted June 4, 2021 Hopefully more traditional League 2 clubs will drop into the abyss over the next few seasons - when more of these clubs find themselves in the HL/LL it might hopefully lead to a vote on automatic relegation from League 2. Although it may be easier to stay up via a play-off it of course makes it much more difficult for clubs to return. This is why the trap door is so terrifying for League 2 club supporters. Put an automatic relegation in along with a second bottom play-off spot and the fear of going down is reduced. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacksgranda Posted June 4, 2021 Share Posted June 4, 2021 21 minutes ago, jamamafegan said: Hopefully more traditional League 2 clubs will drop into the abyss over the next few seasons - when more of these clubs find themselves in the HL/LL it might hopefully lead to a vote on automatic relegation from League 2. Although it may be easier to stay up via a play-off it of course makes it much more difficult for clubs to return. This is why the trap door is so terrifying for League 2 club supporters. Put an automatic relegation in along with a second bottom play-off spot and the fear of going down is reduced. I don't follow your logic there, tbh. The LL/HL clubs have no say on relegation from the SPFL (AFAIK - open to correction), other than through putting their points forward in various committees, and once the stronger LL & HL teams are in the SPFL they would have no interest in opening up more relegation places as it would make it more likely they could go back down. Quite honestly, I can't see any relegated club getting back up for a long, long time, particularly from the LL. A larger SPFL2 (14/16) with at least 1 automatic relegation spot, and I'm coming round to the notion of 2 automatic relegation spots, but it would have to be from a larger division, might be the answer. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongTimeLurker Posted June 4, 2021 Share Posted June 4, 2021 The SPFL's rules are difficult to amend because of the league's voting structure so anything that isn't specified as being at the Board's discretion is probably going to be in place for a very long time. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAC THE KNIFE Posted June 5, 2021 Share Posted June 5, 2021 BSC STENNY FOR THE DROP & THEN COWDEN. ( JUST FOR THE STATION HOTEL & GOTH 4 DRINKS ) !!!!! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluearmyfaction Posted July 22, 2021 Share Posted July 22, 2021 On 02/06/2021 at 12:18, AsimButtHitsASix said: I don't think the original Alliance Premier had all the top sides in from day one. It was very Southern biased and a lot of Northern clubs dismissed it. Most of the clubs that made up that league didn't go on to spend much time in the league above and the majority have drifted downward and clubs that started way lower have overtook them. There were no teams south of Birmingham when the League started in 1888; the south had resisted professionalism and stagnated. When the Southern League finally got going on a professional footing in the 1900s, the League creamed off its best teams, and then after WW1 absorbed its top division in toto. That should have made it more equal between north and south, but teams in the Northern League wanted the same treatment as the Southern, so in 1921 the Northern League top flight was brought in en masse. Those teams were not equivalent to the Southern League teams. The Southern League in 1910 were basically League-standard teams that had not all been able to join yet. The Northern League was teams that had already de facto had a chance to get into the League but were not good enough. Result is that not a single one of those first Division 3 North teams - first season, 100 years ago - has ever played in the top flight. (Wigan Borough are not the same as Wigan Athletic.) 12 out of the 20 have never even been in the second tier. Compare that to teams in the inaugural D3 South season. 22 teams and 15 have played top flight; only Exeter and Merthyr Town have never made it to the second. It's kind of as if the whole Highland League had been put into a big Scottish Division 3. The very best from the Highlands against the third best from the Lowlands. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AsimButtHitsASix Posted July 22, 2021 Share Posted July 22, 2021 That's great but what's that got to do with the Alliance Premier starting a century later? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluearmyfaction Posted July 22, 2021 Share Posted July 22, 2021 It still petered through to the lower levels later. The re-elections had mostly taken out northern teams and replaced them with southern, but it was still something like a 67%/33% split. It meant that the leading non-league teams were mostly from the south because they had not had the opportunity that teams in the north had had to join the League. Nobody would have thought of inviting, say, Wycombe into the League before the war, despite High Wycombe being 25% bigger than Hartlepool or Scunthorpe. So since automatic promotion was brought in, almost all of the new blood is from teams to the south of Stoke, from towns bigger than most of those in the north that have long had teams in the League. Kiddy, Stevenage, Cheltenham, Crawley and so on. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacksgranda Posted July 22, 2021 Share Posted July 22, 2021 Morecambe, Fleetwood, Barrow, Salford City, Harrogate Town 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tamthebam Posted July 22, 2021 Share Posted July 22, 2021 The first team automatically promoted from the Conference were those well known soft southern b*****ds Scarborough.... A certain Neil Warnock was the manager. (Scarboro got frigged about by dodgy owners in the end and the ground is now houses. One of their stands can be found reused at Featherstone Rugby League club though. There is a phoenix club ) 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HenryHill Posted July 23, 2021 Share Posted July 23, 2021 The National League is such a naff name. Even when the sponsorship stopped they should have kept the name - GM Vauxhall Conference. Now that was a name. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluearmyfaction Posted July 23, 2021 Share Posted July 23, 2021 16 hours ago, Jacksgranda said: Morecambe, Fleetwood, Barrow, Salford City, Harrogate Town Barrow were ex-League, Salford bought a place (had the Mancs gone with anyone from Alnwick to Penzance they would have got in). But given the numbers that have got into the League over the years, there are few exceptions, and Morecambe and Fleetwood are significant overachievers given their catchment areas. Fleetwood is smaller than Wishaw for instance. Should never be big enough to support a League club but they're flourishing. Also a great General Ignorance trivia question - which League club plays at the Highbury ground? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacksgranda Posted July 23, 2021 Share Posted July 23, 2021 9 minutes ago, bluearmyfaction said: Barrow were ex-League, Salford bought a place (had the Mancs gone with anyone from Alnwick to Penzance they would have got in). But given the numbers that have got into the League over the years, there are few exceptions, and Morecambe and Fleetwood are significant overachievers given their catchment areas. Fleetwood is smaller than Wishaw for instance. Should never be big enough to support a League club but they're flourishing. Also a great General Ignorance trivia question - which League club plays at the Highbury ground? What difference does that make, it took them nearly 40 years to get back, under their own merits. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the philosopher Posted September 22, 2021 Share Posted September 22, 2021 On 05/06/2021 at 17:29, MAC THE KNIFE said: BSC STENNY FOR THE DROP & THEN COWDEN. ( JUST FOR THE STATION HOTEL & GOTH 4 DRINKS ) !!!!! https://spfl.co.uk/league/league-two/table Very sharp guy at the moment ! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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