Slipmat Posted July 13, 2021 Share Posted July 13, 2021 4 hours ago, Academical1 said: Lewis Spence signed from Scunthorpe, sounds like a similar player to Scott Martin who is out for a few months. What do others think you have seen him? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C4mmy31 Posted July 14, 2021 Share Posted July 14, 2021 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedLichty Posted July 18, 2021 Share Posted July 18, 2021 Some decent signings , I am a little concerned that Arbroath are still not recruiting any full time players. At some point they need to transition to full time if they wish to establish as a championship club. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stan3600 Posted July 18, 2021 Share Posted July 18, 2021 Some decent signings , I am a little concerned that Arbroath are still not recruiting any full time players. At some point they need to transition to full time if they wish to establish as a championship club. That’s not going to happen. We don’t get the attendances for it. We’d be scratching around looking for youngsters and low wage full timers (like a few in the Championship) and our level would plummet. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedLichty Posted July 18, 2021 Share Posted July 18, 2021 It’s a quandary though isn’t it? Because how can we continue to compete with part timers in a full time league? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rovers1992/1993 Posted July 19, 2021 Share Posted July 19, 2021 Blaise Riley-Snow signs on at the Rovers after leaving CD Universidad Alicante in Spain on a short term deal( presumably until January). 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vikingTON Posted July 19, 2021 Share Posted July 19, 2021 21 hours ago, RedLichty said: It’s a quandary though isn’t it? Because how can we continue to compete with part timers in a full time league? Full time status confers zero competitive advantage at the bottom end of the current market; clubs like Morton and QotS are sticking with it out of a gormless sense of prestige rather than sporting excellence (as season after season of dung performances testify). Unless the system gets distorted by enough unsustainable vanity projects at one time like Cove and Kelty, then there should be a space for the best-run part-time team to play in the second tier. There's no guarantee that this would always be Arbroath though, as Dumbarton's recent travails confirm. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benidorm Posted July 19, 2021 Share Posted July 19, 2021 Arbroath will get even more out of being part-time this year with Alloa out of the door. No one else to compete with now at this level for part-timers, the clear best option in Scotland. I fancy they'll do okay again. There was a time when being part-time in Scotland would consign you to relegation battlers at best in the second tier but thats not the case just now anyway. Used to be a huge gap between CH/L1 but thats been and will continue to get cut over the next 5-10 years. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cardle is Magic Posted July 19, 2021 Share Posted July 19, 2021 How many part-time clubs have not been battling relegation in Championship recently? I can think of Dumbarton finishing 5th one year but not much else. As VT has pointed out, remaining full time when you’re shopping at the bottom of the market means very little. This season there will again most likely be 6 or 7 sides split by 10 points or so. There’s very little quality to separate the teams. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skyline Drifter Posted July 19, 2021 Share Posted July 19, 2021 1 hour ago, Benidorm said: There was a time when being part-time in Scotland would consign you to relegation battlers at best in the second tier but thats not the case just now anyway. Used to be a huge gap between CH/L1 but thats been and will continue to get cut over the next 5-10 years. 49 minutes ago, Cardle is Magic said: How many part-time clubs have not been battling relegation in Championship recently? I can think of Dumbarton finishing 5th one year but not much else. Yeah this. Contrary to what Benidorm says, the likelihood is quite definitely that any part time team in the 2nd tier will be battling relegation for most of the season. Dumbarton were 5th in 2014 (and genuine contenders for playoffs for a while). Otherwise it's more than a decade since a part time team wasn't genuinely battling relegation. Probably back to ourselves in the 2003 - 2005 period before we went full time. Dumbarton's achievement in 2014, great as it was should also be noted for context it was while Rangers were in the lower leagues and Dunfermline were too. Ayr were still part time and floating around in League 1 too. There were less full time teams and a couple of the larger ones were in the lower two divisions so getting where they did was easier than it would be now. Arbroath stayed up on the last day last season. They finished 5th after points adjustment in the curtailed Covid season in 2020 and were looking decent to avoid relegation but it's early to draw a conclusion in a short season. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benidorm Posted July 19, 2021 Share Posted July 19, 2021 (edited) Arbroath will be competitive. Being part-time at this level used to be a death sentence and it might still be in future with clubs who will likely come up with money to burn, but in the 2000s smaller part-time teams like Stranraer, Brechin, Stirling, Alloa all came up and never had a hope in hell. Arbroath even had one lucky year then the next were rock bottom with under 20 points. Rangers going bust kinda threw things up a bit recently in that some years you had multiple part-time teams, but the trend over the last few years outwith Brechin is that these teams compete currently. Edited July 19, 2021 by Benidorm 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skyline Drifter Posted July 19, 2021 Share Posted July 19, 2021 42 minutes ago, Benidorm said: Arbroath will be competitive. Being part-time at this level used to be a death sentence and it might still be in future with clubs who will likely come up with money to burn, but in the 2000s smaller part-time teams like Stranraer, Brechin, Stirling, Alloa all came up and never had a hope in hell. Arbroath even had one lucky year then the next were rock bottom with under 20 points. Rangers going bust kinda threw things up a bit recently in that some years you had multiple part-time teams, but the trend over the last few years outwith Brechin is that these teams compete currently. Compete, yes. But there's a world of difference between "compete" and "not being relegation battlers" which is what you said first time. Almost every part time team to play in this division will be battling relegation from day one to the 2nd or 3rd last game at least. We came up as a part time team in 2002 and stayed here 5 years, with a couple of relegation battles and a couple of 4th place top half finishes, before we turned full time. It's not like it was impossible before either. I don't think anything much has changed since the early 2000's personally. A very good part time team can compete at this level but even they will likely be bottom half and in danger all season. Most will be relegated. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cardle is Magic Posted July 19, 2021 Share Posted July 19, 2021 1 hour ago, Benidorm said: Arbroath will be competitive. Being part-time at this level used to be a death sentence and it might still be in future with clubs who will likely come up with money to burn, but in the 2000s smaller part-time teams like Stranraer, Brechin, Stirling, Alloa all came up and never had a hope in hell. Arbroath even had one lucky year then the next were rock bottom with under 20 points. Rangers going bust kinda threw things up a bit recently in that some years you had multiple part-time teams, but the trend over the last few years outwith Brechin is that these teams compete currently. What’s competitive in the Championship other than not being like Brechin? Most clubs in the league will still have a chance of finishing 4th or 9th by March. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vikingTON Posted July 19, 2021 Share Posted July 19, 2021 (edited) 43 minutes ago, Skyline Drifter said: Compete, yes. But there's a world of difference between "compete" and "not being relegation battlers" which is what you said first time. No, he actually said consigned to being relegation battlers, which is not the sane thing. Arbroath were not in a relegation battle in 19/20 and if another full-time club stinks the place out anywhere near as badly as Morton are odds-on to do this season, they won't be near one again this season as well. That assessment is correct then. Edited July 19, 2021 by vikingTON 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benidorm Posted July 19, 2021 Share Posted July 19, 2021 1 hour ago, Skyline Drifter said: Compete, yes. But there's a world of difference between "compete" and "not being relegation battlers" which is what you said first time. Almost every part time team to play in this division will be battling relegation from day one to the 2nd or 3rd last game at least. We came up as a part time team in 2002 and stayed here 5 years, with a couple of relegation battles and a couple of 4th place top half finishes, before we turned full time. It's not like it was impossible before either. I don't think anything much has changed since the early 2000's personally. A very good part time team can compete at this level but even they will likely be bottom half and in danger all season. Most will be relegated. I wouldn't put that Queens team in quite the same bracket. Whilst they were part time, they were similarly resourced with most of the clubs around them if not potentially better than the likes of Clyde and Airdrie who punched for a while. Even Hamilton who were initially part time had spent money and signed players like Mark McLaughlin who at the time was as good as any defender in the league. Part time clubs who have traditionally drawn sub 1000 gates have struggled heavily at this level until recent years. f**k going back to the mid-late 90s you had other hummin teams like Stranraer again, Dumbarton, East Fife and a few skint homeless teams who were just getting constantly slaughtered when they got here. There's a lot of players capable of playing at this level who are dropping to lower divisions for more money and there's also more teams with full time players than there has been for some time, so the talent pool is getting spread thinner. Explains to me why players who struggled at this level when they were ten years younger like Bobby Linn and Michael Moffat are suddenly competent players now and you've got other shit like Sean McGinty finding a full time deal every year in this league. On top of their previous that's why I think Arbroath won't be whipping boys like teams of their ilk often have been in the past. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chubbychops Posted July 20, 2021 Share Posted July 20, 2021 Pars sign midfielder Reece Cole on a 1 year plus 1 year option deal. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TxRover Posted July 20, 2021 Share Posted July 20, 2021 Raith sign Blaise Riley-Snow until Jan 2022 and get Ethon Varian on loan until Jan 2022. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chubbychops Posted July 22, 2021 Share Posted July 22, 2021 Pars sign Kai Kennedy on a 1 year loan deal from Rangers (Rangers have recall option in January) 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cardle is Magic Posted July 22, 2021 Share Posted July 22, 2021 35 minutes ago, Chubbychops said: Pars sign Kai Kennedy…KENNEDY! on a 1 year loan deal from Rangers (Rangers have recall option in January) 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RiG Posted July 23, 2021 Share Posted July 23, 2021 ICT have signed Lewis Jamieson on a season long loan from Saint Mirren. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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