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1 hour ago, Shandon Par said:

Police investigating the death in witness protection (in East Sussex) of Dean White. He was the main witness in Bradley Welsh's murder trial. 

https://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/news/8624210/bradley-welsh-murder-supergrass-dead/

Dodgy cop must have given him up.

Also there was an excellent county lines doc on BBC recently which will still be on iPlayer. The ginge muscle looked terrifying in his mugshot but positively benign and bespectacled when he was brought in.

The gobby 20 year old Liverpudlian looked scary in neither, but with my subtitles not working I had no idea what he was saying.

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12 hours ago, Satoshi said:

Dodgy cop must have given him up.

Surely such a thing couldn’t exist in Britain?

Or he has been on social media. 
 

Or the reach of criminal involvement way higher up the food chain than Edinburgh hoods is at play. 

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USA puts up $5million bounty for arrest of Irishman Daniel Kinahan and a few of his associates. He’s the head, allegedly, of a cartel. He has survived a machine gun attack at the hands of some rivals in drag. What’s it fit to do with Scotland?..

The boxing management firm that bears his initials, MTK, yet he denies involvement with (despite boxers such as Tyson Fury and Edinburgh’s Josh Taylor and Lee McGregor openly thanking Kinahan for his guidance) has an Edinburgh based high profile crime figure as their adviser.  
 

Kinahan recently did an interview with the James English podcast (but it’s not being broadcast). Brad Welsh, he who features throughout the thread as a tragic victim, also did the James English podcast. In it he mentioned growing up with the dad of another Edinburgh crime lord and through this had met the son (currently jailed for being involved in a massive drug/gun/mayhem operation). This son is an ally of one side of a Glasgow crime clan. The other side in this war is linked to the aforementioned alleged Irish cartel.

Not long after the podcast was aired, another crime figure from the outskirts of Edinburgh was handing out large sums of money to kill associates of the jailed Edinburgh crime lord, including Welsh. 
 

I saw James English saying it’s a disgrace etc that he has had to pull the Kinahan interview and that it’s a breach of freedom of speech and that Kinahan needs to be able to air his side of things. Innocent until proven guilty and all that but the Spanish and Irish police have 20+ unsolved murders they’d like his take on (including an investigative journalist).

There has to be a better way of dealing with drugs than this. So long as we keep things illegal the death (and attempted murders) and death through impure drugs etc will continue. 
 

 

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11 minutes ago, Shandon Par said:

USA puts up $5million bounty for arrest of Irishman Daniel Kinahan and a few of his associates. He’s the head, allegedly, of a cartel. He has survived a machine gun attack at the hands of some rivals in drag. What’s it fit to do with Scotland?..

The boxing management firm that bears his initials, MTK, yet he denies involvement with (despite boxers such as Tyson Fury and Edinburgh’s Josh Taylor and Lee McGregor openly thanking Kinahan for his guidance) has an Edinburgh based high profile crime figure as their adviser.  
 

Kinahan recently did an interview with the James English podcast (but it’s not being broadcast). Brad Welsh, he who features throughout the thread as a tragic victim, also did the James English podcast. In it he mentioned growing up with the dad of another Edinburgh crime lord and through this had met the son (currently jailed for being involved in a massive drug/gun/mayhem operation). This son is an ally of one side of a Glasgow crime clan. The other side in this war is linked to the aforementioned alleged Irish cartel.

Not long after the podcast was aired, another crime figure from the outskirts of Edinburgh was handing out large sums of money to kill associates of the jailed Edinburgh crime lord, including Welsh. 
 

I saw James English saying it’s a disgrace etc that he has had to pull the Kinahan interview and that it’s a breach of freedom of speech and that Kinahan needs to be able to air his side of things. Innocent until proven guilty and all that but the Spanish and Irish police have 20+ unsolved murders they’d like his take on (including an investigative journalist).

There has to be a better way of dealing with drugs than this. So long as we keep things illegal the death (and attempted murders) and death through impure drugs etc will continue. 
 

 

^^^@Daniel_Kinahan

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1 hour ago, Shandon Par said:

USA puts up $5million bounty for arrest of Irishman Daniel Kinahan and a few of his associates. He’s the head, allegedly, of a cartel. He has survived a machine gun attack at the hands of some rivals in drag. What’s it fit to do with Scotland?..

The boxing management firm that bears his initials, MTK, yet he denies involvement with (despite boxers such as Tyson Fury and Edinburgh’s Josh Taylor and Lee McGregor openly thanking Kinahan for his guidance) has an Edinburgh based high profile crime figure as their adviser.  
 

Kinahan recently did an interview with the James English podcast (but it’s not being broadcast). Brad Welsh, he who features throughout the thread as a tragic victim, also did the James English podcast. In it he mentioned growing up with the dad of another Edinburgh crime lord and through this had met the son (currently jailed for being involved in a massive drug/gun/mayhem operation). This son is an ally of one side of a Glasgow crime clan. The other side in this war is linked to the aforementioned alleged Irish cartel.

Not long after the podcast was aired, another crime figure from the outskirts of Edinburgh was handing out large sums of money to kill associates of the jailed Edinburgh crime lord, including Welsh. 
 

I saw James English saying it’s a disgrace etc that he has had to pull the Kinahan interview and that it’s a breach of freedom of speech and that Kinahan needs to be able to air his side of things. Innocent until proven guilty and all that but the Spanish and Irish police have 20+ unsolved murders they’d like his take on (including an investigative journalist).

There has to be a better way of dealing with drugs than this. So long as we keep things illegal the death (and attempted murders) and death through impure drugs etc will continue. 
 

 

They are involved with Nero Vodka based in Glasgow who just happen to have a "sponsorship deal" with Accies. Our Chief Exec says it was ripped up shortly after being signed in 2019 but their advertising was still at the stadium last week. 

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26 minutes ago, FuzzyBear said:

They are involved with Nero Vodka based in Glasgow who just happen to have a "sponsorship deal" with Accies. Our Chief Exec says it was ripped up shortly after being signed in 2019 but their advertising was still at the stadium last week. 

Was just going to say that, I'd be amazed if that's the only link to the club 

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25 minutes ago, Bert Raccoon said:

Was just going to say that, I'd be amazed if that's the only link to the club 

He should step up his involvement and make it clear to people that taking three points off you wouldn’t be in their best interest. 
 

I carded as a potential fighter for them once. Can’t think why they’d want a network of lairy old scrappers. Nothing came of it anyway 

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He should step up his involvement and make it clear to people that taking three points off you wouldn’t be in their best interest. 
 
I carded as a potential fighter for them once. Can’t think why they’d want a network of lairy old scrappers. Nothing came of it anyway 
Punted when they realised you'd likely KO yourself before getting a chance to take a dive, IMHO
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On 14/04/2022 at 15:42, ICTChris said:

A lot of the fighters who have thrown in with Kinahan may well regret it if these sanctions end up impacting their bottom line or ability to fight and get paid in the states.

 

Might be quite hard for some of the fighters to distance themselves from Kinahan, especially the ones that posed for pictures with him wearing t-shirts that say ‘No Drugs, No Champions’ on the front of them. 

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On 14/04/2022 at 14:24, Shandon Par said:

USA puts up $5million bounty for arrest of Irishman Daniel Kinahan and a few of his associates. He’s the head, allegedly, of a cartel. He has survived a machine gun attack at the hands of some rivals in drag. What’s it fit to do with Scotland?..

The boxing management firm that bears his initials, MTK, yet he denies involvement with (despite boxers such as Tyson Fury and Edinburgh’s Josh Taylor and Lee McGregor openly thanking Kinahan for his guidance) has an Edinburgh based high profile crime figure as their adviser.  
 

Kinahan recently did an interview with the James English podcast (but it’s not being broadcast). Brad Welsh, he who features throughout the thread as a tragic victim, also did the James English podcast. In it he mentioned growing up with the dad of another Edinburgh crime lord and through this had met the son (currently jailed for being involved in a massive drug/gun/mayhem operation). This son is an ally of one side of a Glasgow crime clan. The other side in this war is linked to the aforementioned alleged Irish cartel.

Not long after the podcast was aired, another crime figure from the outskirts of Edinburgh was handing out large sums of money to kill associates of the jailed Edinburgh crime lord, including Welsh. 
 

I saw James English saying it’s a disgrace etc that he has had to pull the Kinahan interview and that it’s a breach of freedom of speech and that Kinahan needs to be able to air his side of things. Innocent until proven guilty and all that but the Spanish and Irish police have 20+ unsolved murders they’d like his take on (including an investigative journalist).

There has to be a better way of dealing with drugs than this. So long as we keep things illegal the death (and attempted murders) and death through impure drugs etc will continue. 

You might as well name Mark Richardson and Mark Richardson senior, none of this isnt in the public domain already, including his links to Welsh.

The Kinehan / MTK thing is interesting. He is clearly a gangster but one with a love of boxing.

His promotion deals with boxers - although in the "offer you cant refuse" territory - frequently gave the boxers more money, and in some cases the their management fee was as low as 0%.

Kinehan has always maintained that this is about giving boxers a bit of a leg up (as so many have been screwed by promoters / managers over the years) which is one reason why he managed to sign up so many in a short period of time.

Of course, managing these boxers and promoting the fight nights for nothing sounds completely insane and no way to run a business - unless, of course, you are used to paying people 30% to clean up your drug money when the sums start to make more sense.

Ultimately, whatever picture Kinehan paints, the truth is that his involvement in boxing is just a clever money laundering scam.

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32 minutes ago, Leith Green said:

You might as well name Mark Richardson and Mark Richardson senior, none of this isnt in the public domain already, including his links to Welsh.

The Kinehan / MTK thing is interesting. He is clearly a gangster but one with a love of boxing.

His promotion deals with boxers - although in the "offer you cant refuse" territory - frequently gave the boxers more money, and in some cases the their management fee was as low as 0%.

Kinehan has always maintained that this is about giving boxers a bit of a leg up (as so many have been screwed by promoters / managers over the years) which is one reason why he managed to sign up so many in a short period of time.

Of course, managing these boxers and promoting the fight nights for nothing sounds completely insane and no way to run a business - unless, of course, you are used to paying people 30% to clean up your drug money when the sums start to make more sense.

Ultimately, whatever picture Kinehan paints, the truth is that his involvement in boxing is just a clever money laundering scam.

You’re right about the fee thing - think somewhere at the start of the thread I’d set out MTK’s unique funding model! Problem for me is that it’s not a level playing field. Fighters start slagging their old management and complaining about their terms etc but it’s because those management teams live in the real financial world. 

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In the court case that Barry McGuigan brought against Carl Frampton had some details about the basis for Kinahan’s business. Usually boxing management take 10-15% of the fighters earnings but the fighters who were going to Kinahan were paying nothing. Now, whether that was official or whether this is used to launder money isn’t known but it’s impossible for straight managers to compete. 

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