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16 minutes ago, craigkillie said:

Teachers don't have to test twice a week, it is voluntary.

I'll ask her tonight. Could well be a local government thing but as far as I know she was told to do it.

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Anyway, back on subject,...I think we all agree this has been one monumental f**k up and I'm hoping the blame lies with the governing body rather than Clyde or East Fife.

I still maintain this season should have been declared null and void. A totally pointless exercise from the very beginning. This whole split carry on looks as though it was put together by school kids. Scottish football is a joke and governed by incompetent fucking idiots. If ever there was a need for a radical shake up, its now.

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So was it the JRG who actually made the decision that the game could go ahead? If so, when?

Either way, the game simply has to be played, or the outcome at the bottom (depending on results to come) could be the biggest farce we've ever seen (and that's saying something).

If Dumbarton end up in the play-offs because a game wasn't played (either because Clyde are awarded the three points or they 'get' 1.05 under ppg), we might as well dispense with the idea of 'sporting integrity' for all time. 

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Surely after the last year we have had people can't be wanting EF punished for not playing in this game, if the SPFL/JRG or whoever it was did actually say the game could go ahead that is absolute madness and just shows how much they make up the rules how they see fit.

Fair play to EF 100% the correct decision, all very valid points made by the manager as to why they decided not to play, not worth the risk for a game of football no matter how small that risk was/is.

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Given the Clyde squad took another test last night and are in isolation today, it would suggest to me there are concerns that the positive case may have mixed with others. All statements seem to suggest East Fife were given a choice rather than told to play, that may mean that the JRG/SPFL felt the risk was minimal but also felt East Fife were within their rights to say no as they could not be certain who else had been infected. 
Where are you hearing the squad is in isolation?

If that is correct then it does make the decision to go ahead with last night's game a farce.

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If the game got the go ahead from anyone it would surely have been after appropriate medical advice and consideration.  One player testing positive doesn’t necessarily rule out others if all protocols were correctly followed, others test negative and the time of infection/48 hour incubation period is taken into account.  

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16 hours ago, craigkillie said:


This isn't true at all. There have been positive tests throughout the season and in almost every case the game has been able to go ahead minus the positive player and any close contacts.

The only reason games have been postponed has been when a club has been unable to field a team due to having lots of players self-isolating.

In this specific case, I have sympathy with the East Fife players' decision, given the short notice of it all, but the decision being made by the JRG is in keeping with everything that has gone so far this season.

I suppose that if the player was on the bus to Peterhead, then he was surely in close contact with all other Clyde players although I am not sure what constitutes close contact. Also, didn’t Forfar have to forfeit a league cup match because a player tested positive ?

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Not really. If the game is voided, Clyde will effectively be awarded 1.05 points for the game last night. 
That's exactly 1.05 more points than you've gotten off us in the previous two games.
Fair enough, we've been garbage all season anyway so can't have any complaints if we finish 2nd bottom.

Honestly just sick of this season, we've just lurched from one farce to another and its been shite watching it on ppv. Always thought it was daft restarting at our level behind closed doors.

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10 minutes ago, Jack Burton said:

Where are you hearing the squad is in isolation?

If that is correct then it does make the decision to go ahead with last night's game a farce.

I work with Ally Love's dad.

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10 minutes ago, Cowden Cowboy said:

If the game got the go ahead from anyone it would surely have been after appropriate medical advice and consideration.  One player testing positive doesn’t necessarily rule out others if all protocols were correctly followed, others test negative and the time of infection/48 hour incubation period is taken into account.  

You don't need a degree in virology to know that there's a significant chance that the player who tested positive could have been infected outside the club prior to Saturday, infected team mates during the match on Saturday and gone on to test positive on Saturday after the match whilst no other players he infected would have tested positive on Saturday.

If any other Clyde players were infected on Saturday, we won't know until the results of the tests taken on Tuesday are returned.

No other players would be 'ruled out' of playing last night because they could not have tested positive, even if they were infected on Saturday.

Clyde could have followed every protocol to the letter of the law but it would seem bizarre that playing in a match with an infected player wouldn't count as 'close contact'.

Edited by Gordon EF

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1 minute ago, jagsfan57 said:

I suppose that if the player was on the bus to Peterhead, then he was surely in close contact with all other Clyde players although I am not sure what constitutes close contact. Also, didn’t Forfar have to forfeit a league cup match because a player tested positive ?

Bus journeys are supposed to be carried out in compliance with the relevant covid protocols to prevent any other players being identified as close contacts.

There were specific rules put in place for the League Cup which meant clubs had to forfeit matches if they couldn't field a team. Killie also fell foul of this and had to forfeit a tie against Falkirk (and subsequently fielded a youth team against Dunfermline to avoid a further forfeit). However, a league match postponed due to the same outbreak was not forfeited (the SPFL originally chose to do so, but this was overturned on appeal to the SFA), and the match was replayed.

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1 minute ago, craigkillie said:

Bus journeys are supposed to be carried out in compliance with the relevant covid protocols to prevent any other players being identified as close contacts.

There were specific rules put in place for the League Cup which meant clubs had to forfeit matches if they couldn't field a team. Killie also fell foul of this and had to forfeit a tie against Falkirk (and subsequently fielded a youth team against Dunfermline to avoid a further forfeit). However, a league match postponed due to the same outbreak was not forfeited (the SPFL originally chose to do so, but this was overturned on appeal to the SFA), and the match was replayed.

Thanks for the clarification. I wasn’t suggesting that there should be a forfeit, just that one player testing positive was enough to have a game called off.

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I’ve always found the notion of punishing players/clubs for players catching a virus during a pandemic a strange one, especially when the players have day jobs. 
 

We could end up punished for a virus spreading on a bus journey to Peterhead but we’ll let others fly to Dubai in the midst of a lockdown...

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3 hours ago, andrew21 said:

Noticed this statement on the Clyde website from 16th March

"Initially, the League 1 clubs had proposed pushing back the play-offs with the Championship by up to 2 weeks, taking pressure off the fixturing and players, making the completion of a 22 game season easier. Disappointingly, clubs were informed that Championship clubs had advised the SPFL Board that there wasn’t support for that. This was a decision that League 1 clubs reluctantly had to accept.

League 1 had offered to push back the play-offs between Leagues 1&2 to give League 2 clubs the chance to complete their full season under less pressure. Given that League 1 had not been afforded the same opportunity by the Championship, League 2 declined the offer, believing that it was more important to stick together with League 1 and get season 2020/21 completed as 20 clubs following the same route to the end"

 

 

Looks like it was the Championship clubs that put the kybosh on the league being extended to ease the pressure of games and then the League 2 clubs said it wouldn't be fair if they got an extended time period to play their own games. 

Seem to remember something about that.  But that statement is dated before the league resumed.  Once the clubs knew the cards they were dealt, there's absolutely no way they should have continued with the idea of the extra 4 games, and so just playing out the 18 would have factored in a little extra time.  Instead, people who'd be out of breath tying their shoelaces put their own players through the ringer for the sake of a little extra PPV.    It's impossible for them to argue the extra 4 games had anything to do with sporting integrity. 

In fact quite the opposite, in Clyde & a few others' cases who had more games to catch up on it got to the stage the players were out on their legs at the first whistle, not the final one.  That's got nothing to do with ability and by that time had just become a complete farce......which the suits wanted you to pay at least a tenner to watch

As for last night's carry on.....JRG, come out come out wherever you are......

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In all seriousness, it's pretty refreshing to see all this concern about the actual virus. Given the general populous of this forum you'd think the attitude would be one that would resemble a gammons, anti-lockdown and anti-vax.

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41 minutes ago, Brian Carrigan said:

Is this the same place Craig Howie works aye?

I'm assuming this a joke and it is whooshing over my head.

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This isn't going away is it? Clyde are due to play Forfar in 27Hrs time. Will it go ahead? If last night's dressing room is self isolating what kinda team could we field? When does a decision on 9th place get made? When are these play offs due?  If it is Clyde in 9th and we can't field a team in the 1st play off does that disadvantage the teams in 2nd and 3rd in league 2?

 

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