SPFL2 RELEGATION STIGMA and VOTING

[Gordon EF]

9 minutes ago, effeffsee_the2nd said:

yep, I agree.   We've often slagged of posters on here for thinking up restructuring solution . well the truth, numpties on a forum can and often have came up with better league structures at all levels than what we have at the moment( as well as a pile of convoluted dross that no one would want  ) but thinking it up and getting it implemented are two very different things.

The very nature of Scottish football (2 very large clubs , 3/4 large, 10-15 medium, 20 - 30 big part timers  , 40-60 petrol money part timers  etc etc)  means that you don't often have a majority of clubs who's interest align with each other - never mind what's best for the game overall . to get the sort of egalitarian pyramid we have been after for years, you would need several clubs to vote against their own short term interest , which again could leave chairman having to go against the wishes of their own fans, sponsors or even potentially players ( clubs which operate in the central belt except for matchdays ) so we will most likely to continue in circles, unless the decision is taken out of the clubs hands . which again would lead to uproar and would most certainly come with things such as old firm colts with no push back from clubs to oppose

What I've always thought is that any restructuring voted on now should be voted on for 5 years down the line. Then clubs have no idea where they'll be when the time comes. Falkirk and Brechin aren't fundamentally different clubs to what they were 5 years ago and so their views on what the structure should be once you take short-term self-interest out of it, shouldn't really have changed from 5 years ago. But their circumstances are very different now different so what they'd be prepared to vote for purely on short-term self-interest will have changed. Everyone's short term self-interests certainly compete with each other which makes it very difficult to agree to any change.

[effeffsee_the2nd]

2 hours ago, Gordon EF said:

What I've always thought is that any restructuring voted on now should be voted on for 5 years down the line. Then clubs have no idea where they'll be when the time comes. Falkirk and Brechin aren't fundamentally different clubs to what they were 5 years ago and so their views on what the structure should be once you take short-term self-interest out of it, shouldn't really have changed from 5 years ago. But their circumstances are very different now different so what they'd be prepared to vote for purely on short-term self-interest will have changed. Everyone's short term self-interests certainly compete with each other which makes it very difficult to agree to any change.

genuine Reasons for clubs near the bottom to fear relegation ;

No acces to the league cup groups - guarenteed 3 games with at least one being a premier league side

being placed in the scottish cup earlier - less chance of a big payday draw

less media coverage - less sponsorship & advertising  revenue

gates - could go either way

Central belt based players unwilling to sign for a club that plays in a local geographic league,  for the likes of brechin  or stranraer who have their base in the central belt to accommodate players. players only need visit the town of the club for home games and for away matches - most of which are closer to the players homes , they can make their own travel arrangements to meet up at the ground. if all the matches were in the north or south of the country this would make the above arrangement expensive and impractical for more rural clubs  travelling players . the club would be forced to either fork out more to entice players to live in the town ( unlikely for part time players who have other jobs)  or only sign players who already live locally ( for the more rural  teams this means restricting the amount of quality signings they can get)

Unfounded Reasons - playing teams in the back of beyond meaning increased costs - not so, there are a few outliers but the majority of ex junior teams are in the central belt. the majority of the highland league are in Aberdeenshire.

Edited May 12, 2021 by effeffsee_the2nd

[Angus of the Mo]

Scottish football needs revamped.

The Highland / Lowland leagues should be reorganised into more leagues,  with Junior football integrated into these leagues. 

The play off system has been good and allowed clubs like Cove in. It is sad to see old clubs like East Stirlingshire, Brechin and Berwick going down. But if there is no relegation in professional football, it lowers the level of competition. 
League two is not a comfortable league to be in, with the trap door at the bottom, but there shouldn’t be snobbery or stigma attached to going into the Lowland / Highland leagues. 


 

 

[AlanCamelonfan]

39 minutes ago, Angus of the Mo said:

Scottish football needs revamped.

The Highland / Lowland leagues should be reorganised into more leagues,  with Junior football integrated into these leagues. 

The play off system has been good and allowed clubs like Cove in. It is sad to see old clubs like East Stirlingshire, Brechin and Berwick going down. But if there is no relegation in professional football, it lowers the level of competition. 
League two is not a comfortable league to be in, with the trap door at the bottom, but there shouldn’t be snobbery or stigma attached to going into the Lowland / Highland leagues. 


 

 

The junior leagues are no more. We are all in the pyramid integrated with highland and lowland league 

[Angus of the Mo]

1 hour ago, AlanCamelonfan said:

The junior leagues are no more. We are all in the pyramid integrated with highland and lowland league 

Thanks for pointing that out and excuse my ignorance.