SPFL2 RELEGATION STIGMA and VOTING

[Bestsinceslicebread]

Question for everyone and trying to word it right so apologies in advance
We all know the carry on with the SPFL 2 traditional teams and some of their views of everything below them as if they don't exists and have no right to be promoted.

Does anyone think that if a team from the Lowland league is promoted, do we think that when the promoted clubs from Lowland league and Highland league for that matter, would vote for a bigger relegation from the SPFL2 league if and when the clubs vote for restructure

[Born To Run]

12 minutes ago, Bestsinceslicebread said:

Question for everyone and trying to word it right so apologies in advance
We all know the carry on with the SPFL 2 traditional teams and some of their views of everything below them as if they don't exists and have no right to be promoted.

Does anyone think that if a team from the Lowland league is promoted, do we think that when the promoted clubs from Lowland league and Highland league for that matter, would vote for a bigger relegation from the SPFL2 league if and when the clubs vote for restructure

Do we think the SPFL clubs would vote for further relegation?

Look at the behaviour of Brechin. Look at the comments from Albion Rovers gaffer Kerr. No chance.

[Bestsinceslicebread]

1 minute ago, Born To Run said:

Do we think the SPFL clubs would vote for further relegation?

Look at the behaviour of Brechin. Look at the comments from Albion Rovers gaffer Kerr. No chance.

Hey Born to run, not talking about them, we all know their attitudes.
More from teams like Edinburgh City who won promotion a couple of years back from the Lowland

[Born To Run]

3 minutes ago, Bestsinceslicebread said:

Hey Born to run, not talking about them, we all know their attitudes.
More from teams like Edinburgh City who won promotion a couple of years back from the Lowland

15 of 20 League 1 & 2 clubs need to agree for any changes to pass.

I can't see a situation where that could happen sadly. Too many sides are living in fear of relegation and would vote selfishly.

[Jerry Macguire]

The game is run by frightened old men who’s only ambition is to dress up in their club ties and blazers and sit in the posh seats lording it over us peasants who’s money keeps them in the lifestyle they’ve become accustomed. Change is not in these guys vocabulary so anything meaningful like automatic relegation is never going to happen. What the game needs is a professional promoter. Someone to take control of the commercial rights and will sell the game. The promise on untold riches will be the only thing to motivate any real change. Sadly that is unlikely, any commercial rights holder would need to rebrand and repackage the game to be able to generate any significant revenue. Who is going to pay to watch 10 teams play each other over and over and over again? Even the thought of it makes me yawn. Mind you it’s nearly 2 in the morning so that might have a part to play. 

[lowenan]

If no one gets relegated from the Lowland League two years in a row, that doesn’t leave a very strong argument for saying Kelty deserves to be in the promotion playoffs.

[big al]

5 hours ago, Jerry Macguire said:

The game is run by frightened old men who’s only ambition is to dress up in their club ties and blazers and sit in the posh seats lording it over us peasants who’s money keeps them in the lifestyle they’ve become accustomed. Change is not in these guys vocabulary so anything meaningful like automatic relegation is never going to happen.

 

this is mainly bollocks.

have you any idea how much time and effort and money most of these ‘blazers’ put in to running their club?

a lot more than the majority of keyboard big shots on here would imagine or ever consider giving to the club they ‘love’.

 

I do agree with your further point about a professional marketing promoter though.

Edited April 24, 2021 by big al

[FairWeatherFan]

1 hour ago, lowenan said:

If no one gets relegated from the Lowland League two years in a row, that doesn’t leave a very strong argument for saying Kelty deserves to be in the promotion playoffs.

National League down in England is in the same position where they won't be relegating anyone due to NL North & NL South null & voiding. Surprised the EFL2 clubs aren't complaining like SPFL2 clubs are.

 

[Bestsinceslicebread]

It doesn't matter whether a team puts a lot of money into their club in SPFL2, we all know in our heart of hearts that there should be relegation.
If a team finishes bottom then they should be relegated.

Every team in the LL, HL, EOSFL, WOSFL and the  SOSFL know and dislike the attitude of these teams trying to avoid relegation outside of football matters.

Do we think the people of these lower teams will keep this in mind if and when they are promoted to SPFL2 and vote accordingly.
I get a feeling any team that is promoted from the LL or the HL will not be relegated from the SPFL2 the following season due to their strength.

Ultimately the goal for Scottish football is a complete, honest and objective pyramid and if it means teams like Brechin, Albion Rovers, Cowndenbeath, Stenhousemuiretc.. have to improve because they know the standard underneath is so high then that's is all good for Scottish Football anyways

Edited April 24, 2021 by Bestsinceslicebread

[FairWeatherFan]

3 minutes ago, Bestsinceslicebread said:

It doesn't matter whether a team puts a lot of money into their club in SPFL2, we all know in our heart of hearts that there should be relegation.
If a team finishes bottom then they should be relegated.

Every team in the LL, HL, EOSFL, WOSFL and the  SOSFL know and dislike the attitude of these teams trying to avoid relegation outside of football matters.

Do we think the people of these lower teams will keep this in mind if and when they are promoted to SPFL2 and vote accordingly.
I get a feeling any team that is promoted from the LL or the HL will not be relegated from the SPFL2 the following season due to their strength.

Ultimately the goal for Scottish football is a complete, honest and objective pyramid and if it means teams like Brechin, Albion Rovers, Cowndenbeath, Stenhousemuiretc.. have to improve because they know the standard underneath is so high then that's is all good for Scottish Football anyways

I think it's more likely to see some form of SPFL reconstruction before there's automatic relegation from the current 12-10-10-10 set up.

That will then change the promotion/relegation format between the SPFL to the non-league in some unknown way.

[Marshmallo]

I doubt it tbh. The Lowland League finds creative ways not to relegate teams as it is, so can't see the attitude changing as more clubs move from the LL into League Two.

[gaswork]

Let's all play the pyramid game in la la land and pretend we have one the reality is a whole different thing.
Kelty and brora league clubs [emoji38] aye right.

[Jerry Macguire]

1 hour ago, gaswork said:

Let's all play the pyramid game in la la land and pretend we have one the reality is a whole different thing.
Kelty and brora league clubs aye right.

Let’s all go back into the darkness instead. Floodlights you say? The devils illumination.

[Jerry Macguire]

2 hours ago, big al said:

 

this is mainly bollocks.

have you any idea how much time and effort and money most of these ‘blazers’ put in to running their club?

a lot more than the majority of keyboard big shots on here would imagine or ever consider giving to the club they ‘love’.

 

I do agree with your further point about a professional marketing promoter though.

No keyboard warrior just an opinion Al. You don’t agree which I respect. No need to be a dick about it though. No professional promoter will touch our game with a barge pole until clubs are prepared to accept radical change. Too much fear in the game for that to happen.

[Dev]

I don't expect this to happen but (if only) the SFA constitution could be altered so that there is automatic relegation and promotion within the Pyramid leagues. That would take the vote away from the self-interest of all individual clubs once and for all.

Leagues would have to comply with the constitution of the SFA and it would de-personalise the whole promotion/relegation business.

[Dev]

3 hours ago, big al said:

 

this is mainly bollocks.

have you any idea how much time and effort and money most of these ‘blazers’ put in to running their club?

a lot more than the majority of keyboard big shots on here would imagine or ever consider giving to the club they ‘love’.

 

I do agree with your further point about a professional marketing promoter though.

Having been there you are right about the efforts put in by the "blazers".  They put their hearts and souls into it but that's not exclusive to SPFL clubs.

[gaswork]

Let’s all go back into the darkness instead. Floodlights you say? The devils illumination. [emoji23]

You'd think being the only 'bsc Glasgow supporter ' in the universe if that's even what you are in the proper sense given you'll know all the committee and most probably be on it or have been on it and been in non league football for two minutes you'd just shut your trap and be thankful any organisation took your shambolic club in.

[Jack Burton]

Question for everyone and trying to word it right so apologies in advance
We all know the carry on with the SPFL 2 traditional teams and some of their views of everything below them as if they don't exists and have no right to be promoted.

Does anyone think that if a team from the Lowland league is promoted, do we think that when the promoted clubs from Lowland league and Highland league for that matter, would vote for a bigger relegation from the SPFL2 league if and when the clubs vote for restructure

What about promoted clubs from the EOS etc voting to increase the number of relegation from the LL?

The actions of Brechin and Vale have both been pathetic.

[Jerry Macguire]

1 hour ago, gaswork said:

1 hour ago, Jerry Macguire said:

Let’s all go back into the darkness instead. Floodlights you say? The devils illumination.

You'd think being the only 'bsc Glasgow supporter ' in the universe if that's even what you are in the proper sense given you'll know all the committee and most probably be on it or have been on it and been in non league football for two minutes you'd just shut your trap and be thankful any organisation took your shambolic club in.

Your patter is woeful gasbag. You really should be banned for that comment alone. Your right I’m the chairman, manager, kit man, physio and all 25 players. I am BSC. 

[newcastle broon]

6 hours ago, lowenan said:

If no one gets relegated from the Lowland League two years in a row, that doesn’t leave a very strong argument for saying Kelty deserves to be in the promotion playoffs.

 

3 hours ago, Marshmallo said:

I doubt it tbh. The Lowland League finds creative ways not to relegate teams as it is, so can't see the attitude changing as more clubs move from the LL into League Two.

The question for the topic was about the SPFL2 not the LL relegation.