Empty It Posted January 6, 2022 Share Posted January 6, 2022 Another one for horrific celebrities accepted back into society, Travis Scott and Drake. Put on a music festival, encouraged people without tickets to turn up anyway then continuing to play their set whilst watching people dying in the crowd due to crushing, to the point that an ambulance was trying to drive through the middle of the crowd which Scott acknowledged. 8 people died and all that's happened is a pathetic sorry video and everyone forgets about it. Both scum should be in jail.ETA correction 10 people died, a further 2 died in hospital afterwards due to crushing injuries. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scottsdad Posted January 6, 2022 Share Posted January 6, 2022 Leslie Grantham (Dirty Den in EastEnders) was convicted of murder and served 10 years before getting the EastEnders gig. Folk were fine with that, but not with him chugging into a webcam. That incident got his character killed off. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AsimButtHitsASix Posted January 6, 2022 Share Posted January 6, 2022 Michael McIntyre still gets premium air time on BBC despite being Michael McIntyre. Shameful 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dons_1988 Posted January 6, 2022 Share Posted January 6, 2022 (edited) 11 minutes ago, scottsdad said: Leslie Grantham (Dirty Den in EastEnders) was convicted of murder and served 10 years before getting the EastEnders gig. Folk were fine with that, but not with him chugging into a webcam. That incident got his character killed off. Take each case on its own merit but if he’s convicted and served his sentence then I’m not overly concerned about that. ETA - should distinguish between the fact they’re working and the fact they retain hero status. Think the original point re Mike Tyson is that people still seem to love him and disregard his past. In your example I don’t have a problem with the fact he has an acting job. Edited January 6, 2022 by Dons_1988 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NotThePars Posted January 6, 2022 Share Posted January 6, 2022 For me one of the craziest cases of a celebrity getting away with it is the film director Roman Polanski (sp?) who is guilty and wanted for either rape or some sexual abuse against a young teenage girl. Not sure if the guy is still alive but I know through the 80s and 90s he was still making movies but just never went back to the States. In a similarly strange one what about Woody Allen and his relationship with his step daughter.A load of famous people signed the letter demanding the case was dropped as well. Proper depressing list. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bert Raccoon Posted January 6, 2022 Share Posted January 6, 2022 34 minutes ago, scottsdad said: Leslie Grantham (Dirty Den in EastEnders) was convicted of murder and served 10 years before getting the EastEnders gig. Folk were fine with that, but not with him chugging into a webcam. That incident got his character killed off. Any excuse 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BFTD Posted January 6, 2022 Share Posted January 6, 2022 13 hours ago, DiegoDiego said: It's possible to separate the art from the artist. Plenty of books, films and music I enjoy have been created in whole or part by scumbags. Even Paul the Apostle was a bit of a dick before turning his life around, yet a book he wrote big chunks of is the most popular of all time. Mark Wahlberg and Dr. Dre can be added to the list of very nasty people the public have forgiven. I think most people just don't know what a piece of shit Marky Mark is. Tried to get himself a wee sly pardon a few years back too. Some guy. 1 hour ago, ICTChris said: Axl Rose from Guns n Roses was also covered, he would commit sexual assaults on models and other women who were put in his company during the bands heyday. Faith No More famously got themselves kicked off a tour supporting Guns 'n' Roses for blabbing to the press about the disturbing shit that Axl Rose got up to. Main one that springs to mind was inviting everyone to watch him make amateur porn with unconscious junkies in his trailer. When it comes to musicians in certain genres, people just seem to assume that they're all awful people who commit crimes, but it's worth it because they make the nice sounds. Would be nice if we could get past that shit and strangle their sources of funding, at least. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derry Alli Posted January 6, 2022 Share Posted January 6, 2022 Marcos Alonso is a murderer and a Premier League star. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bairnardo Posted January 6, 2022 Share Posted January 6, 2022 What are folks views on redemption?At what point should people be forgiven for sins of their past?Which ones are unforgivable? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sergeant Wilson Posted January 6, 2022 Share Posted January 6, 2022 50 minutes ago, Bairnardo said: What are folks views on redemption? At what point should people be forgiven for sins of their past? Which ones are unforgivable? I don't think redemption and forgiven are the right expressions. Most convictions become spent after a period of time Probation. Parole and listings are often time limited, but none of that will necessarily reflect public perception. You've seen on here with the different opinions of Goodwillie. A universal measurement of time to "forgive" isn't possible. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevieKTID Posted January 6, 2022 Share Posted January 6, 2022 2 hours ago, Mr. Alli said: Marcos Alonso is a murderer and a Premier League star. Similar to Patrick Kluivert he got 240 hours community service for death by dangerous driving, he was doing twice the speed limit and was drunk. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sergeant Wilson Posted January 6, 2022 Share Posted January 6, 2022 1 minute ago, stevieKTID said: Similar to Patrick Kluivert he got 240 hours community service for death by dangerous driving, he was doing twice the speed limit and was drunk. Still banged the goals in though! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bairnardo Posted January 6, 2022 Share Posted January 6, 2022 2 minutes ago, Sergeant Wilson said: I don't think redemption and forgiven are the right expressions. Most convictions become spent after a period of time Probation. Parole and listings are often time limited, but none of that will necessarily reflect public perception. You've seen on here with the different opinions of Goodwillie. A universal measurement of time to "forgive" isn't possible. I know, yet some folk reintegrate and some folknarent accepted. Is it all about their conduct after the offence? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tamthebam Posted January 6, 2022 Share Posted January 6, 2022 Must be a few heids gone on the Politics Forum (shock!) as the Big Man () himself has issued a warning regarding behaviour. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sergeant Wilson Posted January 6, 2022 Share Posted January 6, 2022 Just now, Bairnardo said: I know, yet some folk reintegrate and some folknarent accepted. Is it all about their conduct after the offence? I think it's more in the eye of the beholder. I paraphrase... I think Falkirk should sign Goodwillie, he'll get them up and nothing was proven in a criminal court. The woman seemed to be asking for it. Even if he did it, it was ages ago. You think he's abhorrent and won't go back if he ever signs. His actions were the same, how we perceive them is different. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bairnardo Posted January 6, 2022 Share Posted January 6, 2022 15 minutes ago, Sergeant Wilson said: I think it's more in the eye of the beholder. I paraphrase... I think Falkirk should sign Goodwillie, he'll get them up and nothing was proven in a criminal court. The woman seemed to be asking for it. Even if he did it, it was ages ago. You think he's abhorrent and won't go back if he ever signs. His actions were the same, how we perceive them is different. And in the case of Mike Tyson, convicted? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sergeant Wilson Posted January 6, 2022 Share Posted January 6, 2022 3 minutes ago, Bairnardo said: And in the case of Mike Tyson, convicted? In celebrity or sport circles it will often come down to net benefits. Ian Watkins, minor rock singer with minimal saleable back catalogue. Irredeemable beast. Michael Jackson... let's move on! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICTChris Posted January 6, 2022 Share Posted January 6, 2022 Topically, MIke Tyson's lawyer in his rape trial was Alan Dershowitz. Anyway, what has prompted the pinned 'Behave' warning in the Politics forum? I stay away from the big topics on there, mainly sticking to the Geopolitics thread. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DiegoDiego Posted January 6, 2022 Share Posted January 6, 2022 Anyway, what has prompted the pinned 'Behave' warning in the Politics forum? I stay away from the big topics on there, mainly sticking to the Geopolitics thread. Curiosity killed the cat, Chris. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted January 6, 2022 Share Posted January 6, 2022 (edited) 5 minutes ago, ICTChris said: Topically, MIke Tyson's lawyer in his rape trial was Alan Dershowitz. Anyway, what has prompted the pinned 'Behave' warning in the Politics forum? I stay away from the big topics on there, mainly sticking to the Geopolitics thread. Not sure, the odd troll testing the limits of dog whistling and disrupting any possibility of civilised chat. The rona thread has seemed more toxic but that might be a personal thing.. Edited January 6, 2022 by welshbairn 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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