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2 hours ago, Dev said:

The existing EoS  clubs will no longer have the advantage over the ex East Juniors when it comes to access to players

What was the advantage?

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3 hours ago, Burnieman said:

What was the advantage?

Just referring to many here on B&B in recent seasons who were of the view that players were preferring to join EoS clubs rather than those remaining in the East Juniors (South). 

I appreciate that you were only jesting!

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That's even worse than no relegation! default_blink.png You'd have Tweedmouth and Hawick for example playing the West Lothian clubs (bar the two that would be promoted).
That's no good for anyone in terms of travel or competitive fixtures. You need to get at least 3 or 4 of the new clubs promoted out of tier 8 to balance the Third Division.
As I said, I'd ideally promote four. This would leave just the worst seven clubs after just one season...

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1 hour ago, lowenan said:

Option one will leave a mess for years to come. Goes against the ideal the original EOS set.

What ideal does it go against?  new member clubs start at the bottom of any league (look at todays announcement from WoS).  It happened in the Juniors.

It might not even pass, a mixed Conference option might prevail.  It's upto existing members to decide.

The EoS are not at fault if allegedly better clubs take their time in joining and therefore have to start at the bottom.

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7 hours ago, HibeeJibee said:

Option 1 produces next year what would have happened this year had the season not been null-&-void. Existing clubs play in their existing conferences and new clubs play seperately. No existing clubs drop to future Third Division - no new clubs jump to First Division.

Option 2 is effectively a 'clean slate'. Existing and new clubs are mixed together in fresh conferences. All compete for places in any division.

Thanks for the feedback. Option 1 presents the conundrum of how the respective 2021/22 club placings are fairly distributed into the respective leagues for the 2022/23 season. What magic formula do the EOSFL management propose to implement that will deliver a four tier league based on playing ability? I hope that “sporting integrity” is not again compromised as we have just seen in the Lowland League “OF colts debacle”.

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15 minutes ago, Pyramidic said:

Thanks for the feedback. Option 1 presents the conundrum of how the respective 2021/22 club placings are fairly distributed into the respective leagues for the 2022/23 season. What magic formula do the EOSFL management propose to implement that will deliver a four tier league based on playing ability? I hope that “sporting integrity” is not again compromised as we have just seen in the Lowland League “OF colts debacle”.

Your use of sporting integrity seems to be on the opposite end of the spectrum from how I would see it.

Colts jumped the queue and entered at a level above where they should have started, only able to do so because of COVID. You're now saying it's perfectly fine for these EoS teams to jump the queue, which is only happening because of COVID.

 

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42 minutes ago, Burnieman said:

What ideal does it go against?  new member clubs start at the bottom of any league (look at todays announcement from WoS).  It happened in the Juniors.

It might not even pass, a mixed Conference option might prevail.  It's upto existing members to decide.

The EoS are not at fault if allegedly better clubs take their time in joining and therefore have to start at the bottom.

It's about giving all clubs the chance to find their level ASAP. It's not about fault. 

In any case the clubs will make whatever decision is right for them - no matter what anyone's opinion may be.

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1 hour ago, lowenan said:

Option one will leave a mess for years to come. Goes against the ideal the original EOS set.

Hopefully the same magnanimous spirit will be shown to the latest newcomers from the east region that was shown to Blackburn & co by the existing traditional membership when they joined so that they aren't placed in a newly created lowest tier with a prolonged bottleneck where promotion is concerned thereafter.

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16 minutes ago, FairWeatherFan said:

Your use of sporting integrity seems to be on the opposite end of the spectrum from how I would see it.

Colts jumped the queue and entered at a level above where they should have started, only able to do so because of COVID. You're now saying it's perfectly fine for these EoS teams to jump the queue, which is only happening because of COVID.

 

Please! To all, can we not keep the colts situation out of this thread?

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1 hour ago, FairWeatherFan said:

Your use of sporting integrity seems to be on the opposite end of the spectrum from how I would see it.

Colts jumped the queue and entered at a level above where they should have started, only able to do so because of COVID. You're now saying it's perfectly fine for these EoS teams to jump the queue, which is only happening because of COVID.

You have missed my main point completely. How would you solve the conundrum in a fair and equitable manner that both existing and new clubs consider acceptable and a worthy management approach for the EOSFL to follow?

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1 minute ago, Pyramidic said:

You have missed my main point completely. How would you solve the conundrum in a fair and equitable manner that both existing and new clubs consider acceptable and a worthy management approach for the EOSFL to follow.

That's already happening. None of the new applicants have said anything against the division below the current Conferences. It's it a version of what they were expecting to take part in for 2021-22.

Neither of the proposals are unworthy and both have different pros and cons considering the situation caused by COVID.

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18 minutes ago, FairWeatherFan said:

That's already happening. None of the new applicants have said anything against the division below the current Conferences. It's it a version of what they were expecting to take part in for 2021-22.

Neither of the proposals are unworthy and both have different pros and cons considering the situation caused by COVID.

Under Option 1 how do you establish the number of promotion places from the newly created 11 team “Division Three (Tier 9 )” ? How many teams will be promoted to Division One (Tier 7) and Division Two (Tier 8 ) from the new division? How many teams are to be relegated from the Division One Conferences to the 2022/23 Division Three (Tier 9). What are the basic workings behind Option 1?

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9 hours ago, HibeeJibee said:

Option 1 produces next year what would have happened this year had the season not been null-&-void. Existing clubs play in their existing conferences and new clubs play seperately. No existing clubs drop to future Third Division - no new clubs jump to First Division.

Option 2 is effectively a 'clean slate'. Existing and new clubs are mixed together in fresh conferences. All compete for places in any division.

If last season hadn't gone null & void it would be 16-16 and the 18 remaining would've joined with the new clubs to form Second Division conferences?

2 hours ago, Burnieman said:

What ideal does it go against?  new member clubs start at the bottom of any league (look at todays announcement from WoS).  It happened in the Juniors.

The EoS are not at fault if allegedly better clubs take their time in joining and therefore have to start at the bottom.

That's because some of these new WOS don't meet the ground requirements yet...

Though surely the bottom of the EOS is tier 7? 🤔

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2 hours ago, LongTimeLurker said:

Hopefully the same magnanimous spirit will be shown to the latest newcomers from the east region that was shown to Blackburn & co by the existing traditional membership when they joined so that they aren't placed in a newly created lowest tier with a prolonged bottleneck where promotion is concerned thereafter.

Indeed. It would be a real olive branch to the remaining juniors that have joined.

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I see it was Edinburgh South that got slotted into Conference B to make them 15-15.
Any news on cups for next season?
Not sure about cups. Maybe that'll be discussed at agm.
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Suppose the new clubs playing 3 times solves one problem, and running 18 clubs in the Second Division solves the other issue of current clubs going down to the Third. Far too much common sense on display here. Guessing they'll be looking to attract clubs to boost the numbers for the Third Division.

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Option 1 = 88%
Option 2 = 12%


There won't be a noticeable bottleneck for the 11 new clubs IMO. Arrangements made broadly ensure that. Over the first 2 seasons at least 5, but potentially 6 or 7, new clubs will go up.

That was the main concern which needed ameliorating.

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