Granny Danger Posted January 7, 2022 Share Posted January 7, 2022 1 minute ago, saint in exile said: They are all shite and incompetent mate.I will be complaining about the lot of them. You should form your own party. It’s the obvious solution. -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted January 7, 2022 Share Posted January 7, 2022 I'd like to see a Scottish Labour Party going their own way, pro independence and to the left of London. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint in exile Posted January 7, 2022 Share Posted January 7, 2022 17 minutes ago, Granny Danger said: I really don’t see another serious pro-Independence party being former prior to Independence. After Independence there will be a natural reversion to other left/right options with the Greens probably playing a bigger role than they do in rUK. Let's hope they know how to run Calmac efficiently 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted January 7, 2022 Share Posted January 7, 2022 34 minutes ago, saint in exile said: Let me tell you after a lifetime of voting SNP I wouldn't even be bothering to vote fullstop as none of the politicial parties are worthy of a vote. If you're in exile do you even get a vote? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint in exile Posted January 7, 2022 Share Posted January 7, 2022 Island exile 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ayrshire Analytica Posted January 7, 2022 Share Posted January 7, 2022 50 minutes ago, welshbairn said: I'd like to see a Scottish Labour Party going their own way, pro independence and to the left of London. This old dead horse. In my opinion, the opportune time for them to do this was during the indyref campaign. Of course, the branch office instead chose the path of British nationalism and unyielding devotion to Westminster, becoming the useful idiots of the Tories for the campaign. Their final act of betrayal of the Scottish people. Ironically, opposition to Scottish independence is probably the only thing that all factions of the Labour Party, from Momentum to Starmer, are united in. They still believe that Scotland is Labour turf which will one day return to them, under British rule, of course. Talk about parties with "baggage", the last Labour regime deliberately misled the UK into an illegal war which killed over a million people, and into another, which was finally confirmed a few months ago when Kabul fell, to have all been for naught. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeeTillEhDeh Posted January 7, 2022 Share Posted January 7, 2022 I'd like to see a Scottish Labour Party going their own way, pro independence and to the left of London. Pigs will fly first. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angus of the Mo Posted January 7, 2022 Share Posted January 7, 2022 3 hours ago, welshbairn said: Personally I think the Gaelic pronunciation sounds daft from somebody speaking English, a bit like somebody saying Mathreeth instead of Madrid. I agree. There is very little knowledge of Gaelic outside of the western isles now. Im from the east coast, but I remember many of the words my grandparents used were Gaelic, but spoken in the context of Scots. I have very good knowledge of Gaelic, can participate in a conversation, and correct pronunciation is important, or it sounds pathetic 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted January 7, 2022 Share Posted January 7, 2022 12 minutes ago, DeeTillEhDeh said: 1 hour ago, welshbairn said: I'd like to see a Scottish Labour Party going their own way, pro independence and to the left of London. Pigs will fly first. They'd have to overthrow the current hierarchy in Scotland, or start a brand new party, but I think there are a fair number of members prepared to make the switch. Were at least, maybe they've all left by now. There was a guy on here who got into bother for suggesting it at conference, he posted a video. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sophia Posted January 7, 2022 Share Posted January 7, 2022 20 minutes ago, welshbairn said: They'd have to overthrow the current hierarchy in Scotland, or start a brand new party, but I think there are a fair number of members prepared to make the switch. Were at least, maybe they've all left by now. There was a guy on here who got into bother for suggesting it at conference, he posted a video. Are you sure you're not thinking of this ... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted January 7, 2022 Share Posted January 7, 2022 Just now, sophia said: Are you sure you're not thinking of this ... You're right, mea culpa. The video was well impressive. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ayrshire Analytica Posted January 7, 2022 Share Posted January 7, 2022 During the indyref, there was a group of Labour members who publicly backed the Yes side, but if I remember correctly, they were kicked out of the party for it. Depending on who the branch manager is at the time, the attitude of the branch office towards members/voters who support independence shifts between; "We completely disagree with you, get out." And "We completely disagree with you, but vote for us, for some reason." Sarwar's attempts to portray himself and Labour as "neutral" on independence, during one the TV debates for the last Holyrood election, were utterly laughable. The presenter basically told him that if he didn't want to take part in the section of the discussion about independence, he could go and sit down. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted January 7, 2022 Share Posted January 7, 2022 1 hour ago, sophia said: Are you sure you're not thinking of this ... Found it! @ChrisMFCfan1886 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ayrshire Analytica Posted January 7, 2022 Share Posted January 7, 2022 Fair do's to the guy for actually doing that. In my opinion, the Lib Dem policy on Scotland is arguably the most insulting of the three branch offices. The reason I say that is, despite decades of claiming to be the pro-European party and a clear majority of Scottish people being for EU membership, they see nothing egregious in Scotland itself being dragged out, completely at the determination of others. They offer absolutely no solution to that, because to them being part of the herrenvolk democracy that is the UK is more important, and if us Scots want to be in the EU, we have no choice but to wait until England decides to rejoin. At this point, there is no "Remain" anymore, which adds another layer to their dishonesty. We're either Europeans as independent Scots, or we won't be at all. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BFTD Posted January 7, 2022 Share Posted January 7, 2022 4 hours ago, AsimButtHitsASix said: There's a consistent lead in the polls? Independence would've been well ahead in the polls for years if it wasn't for THAT BLOODY WOMAN! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint in exile Posted January 8, 2022 Share Posted January 8, 2022 1 hour ago, BFTD said: Independence would've been well ahead in the polls for years if it wasn't for THAT BLOODY WOMAN! I know she's increasingly insufferable.Anyone that calls herself Chief Mammy can f**k right off -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted January 8, 2022 Share Posted January 8, 2022 7 hours ago, BFTD said: Independence would've been well ahead in the polls for years if it wasn't for THAT BLOODY WOMAN! Blaming my wife is a bit harsh. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suspect Device Posted January 8, 2022 Share Posted January 8, 2022 8 hours ago, saint in exile said: I know she's increasingly insufferable.Anyone that calls herself Chief Mammy can f**k right off What about Chief Nanny? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorongil Posted January 8, 2022 Share Posted January 8, 2022 NS now into her 8th year. What are her achievements as FM? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted January 8, 2022 Share Posted January 8, 2022 11 minutes ago, Thorongil said: NS now into her 8th year. What are her achievements as FM? Most of this has been since she took over. https://www.snp.org/record/ 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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