Thorongil Posted November 25, 2021 Share Posted November 25, 2021 2 minutes ago, welshbairn said: Why did he make an official apology to one of his accusers then? You sure he did that? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oneteaminglasgow Posted November 25, 2021 Share Posted November 25, 2021 (edited) Fucking hell, not this again. Salmond is a creep. He has not been found guilty of anything. Those two sentences do not contradict each other. Sturgeon was likewise cleared of any wrongdoing by the independent report, so I’m quite comfortable with that. That’s not to say she hasn’t done anything wrong and/or dodgy, but that whatever she’s done didn’t breach the ministerial code. Edit: even if Salmond is completely innocent of any wrongdoing at all (not just criminality), the Alba Party is packed with complete crackpots who normal people would never, ever vote for anyway. Edited November 25, 2021 by oneteaminglasgow 11 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted November 25, 2021 Share Posted November 25, 2021 7 minutes ago, Thorongil said: You sure he did that? As far as I know the apology was never denied in court, or challenged. That was the case that was found Not Proven. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NotThePars Posted November 25, 2021 Author Share Posted November 25, 2021 Cherry wanting to build cross-party support with a tiny minority sect of losers is obvs less about what it says on the tin and more her trying to differentiate herself from the dominant wing of the party. The SNP are a shite party but it’s good to be reminded they could be much worse. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorongil Posted November 25, 2021 Share Posted November 25, 2021 23 minutes ago, welshbairn said: As far as I know the apology was never denied in court, or challenged. That was the case that was found Not Proven. How would you know that it was not denied in court? The defence case was not covered by the media. I would suggest to you that it WAS denied in court, as the allegation was. Otherwise, what would this supposed apology have been for. Pretty sure you are conflating Woman F’s allegation with something completely different. Given the acquittal, Woman F’s complaint must be set aside with regard to this debate. Not Proven is an acquittal. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorongil Posted November 25, 2021 Share Posted November 25, 2021 33 minutes ago, oneteaminglasgow said: Fucking hell, not this again. Salmond is a creep. He has not been found guilty of anything. Those two sentences do not contradict each other. Sturgeon was likewise cleared of any wrongdoing by the independent report, so I’m quite comfortable with that. That’s not to say she hasn’t done anything wrong and/or dodgy, but that whatever she’s done didn’t breach the ministerial code. Edit: even if Salmond is completely innocent of any wrongdoing at all (not just criminality), the Alba Party is packed with complete crackpots who normal people would never, ever vote for anyway. How come Alba’s zoomers are bad but SNP zoomers such as Pete Wishart and Kirsty Blackman are acceptable to you? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted November 25, 2021 Share Posted November 25, 2021 3 minutes ago, Thorongil said: I would suggest to you that it WAS denied in court, as the allegation was. Otherwise, what would this supposed apology have been for. Behaving badly, but not to a criminal degree. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oneteaminglasgow Posted November 25, 2021 Share Posted November 25, 2021 (edited) 1 minute ago, Thorongil said: How come Alba’s zoomers are bad but SNP zoomers such as Pete Wishart and Kirsty Blackman are acceptable to you? I vote for the Greens. Edit: also, the SNP have some non-zoomers, while Alba don’t. Edited November 25, 2021 by oneteaminglasgow 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorongil Posted November 25, 2021 Share Posted November 25, 2021 2 minutes ago, oneteaminglasgow said: I vote for the Greens. Edit: also, the SNP have some non-zoomers, while Alba don’t. The Greens have some zoomers, don’t they? Green zoomers = fine SNP zoomers = fine Alba zoomers = bad Can you point me to an example of you criticising an SNP or Green zoomer? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorongil Posted November 25, 2021 Share Posted November 25, 2021 4 minutes ago, welshbairn said: Behaving badly, but not to a criminal degree. Got some evidence that the apology you are referring to was not denied? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorongil Posted November 25, 2021 Share Posted November 25, 2021 2 hours ago, Suspect Device said: We'll never agree on the facts. That much has been clear so no point going over them again. I still think Salmond is a creepy b*****d and Sturgeon is a lying b*****d yet I still vote for independence despite disliking and mistrustign the main players. It gets even worse when you go down to the lower levels because all I see are incompetents (Swinney/Yousaf) or a God botherer (Forbes). Re your comment about Forbes, is that just casual bigotry? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oneteaminglasgow Posted November 25, 2021 Share Posted November 25, 2021 6 minutes ago, Thorongil said: The Greens have some zoomers, don’t they? Green zoomers = fine SNP zoomers = fine Alba zoomers = bad Can you point me to an example of you criticising an SNP or Green zoomer? No, they don’t. Everyone who thinks like me is right and cool. Have a look if you fancy, but you’ll certainly find examples of me having a go at Joanna Cherry. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted November 25, 2021 Share Posted November 25, 2021 8 minutes ago, Thorongil said: Got some evidence that the apology you are referring to was not denied? Quote Salmond said a civil servant approached him about a “sensitive” matter soon afterwards. He said it was about Woman F and an incident at Bute House. Salmond said he apologised to the Woman F on the same day, he believed. He said he apologised for putting her in an “embarrassing position and that wasn’t right”. https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/alex-salmond-denies-intent-rape-21707643 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorongil Posted November 25, 2021 Share Posted November 25, 2021 9 minutes ago, oneteaminglasgow said: No, they don’t. Everyone who thinks like me is right and cool. Have a look if you fancy, but you’ll certainly find examples of me having a go at Joanna Cherry. Ah, so your position isn’t one of good faith. Ok. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BB_Bino Posted November 25, 2021 Share Posted November 25, 2021 Not looking to get involved in NS v AS debate, it really has been done to death.However, I’m genuinely curious, has the Alba Party released their position yet?? There does seem to be a mix of Left & Centre Right Wingers in the mix.Is the goal 1 thing and 1 thing only, or are they looking at policy from a certain angle?? I would be interested to know. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oneteaminglasgow Posted November 25, 2021 Share Posted November 25, 2021 4 minutes ago, Thorongil said: Ah, so your position isn’t one of good faith. Ok. Aye, that must be it. I put across my view that Alba are full of, exclusively, crackpots, to which you said “well how come you find the SNP zoomers acceptable then?” You’ve since just asked me to defend a position which I haven’t, at any point, expressed. It’s definitely me arguing in bad faith here. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suspect Device Posted November 25, 2021 Share Posted November 25, 2021 17 minutes ago, Thorongil said: Re your comment about Forbes, is that just casual bigotry? No. There's nothing casual about my bigotry. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorongil Posted November 25, 2021 Share Posted November 25, 2021 14 minutes ago, welshbairn said: https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/alex-salmond-denies-intent-rape-21707643 Not sure how that is damning against Salmond. Had a near liaison with a colleague, didn’t, apologised informally for his part in it and the matter was ended. Just a normal human interaction. Until it was turned into a rape allegation years later, tested in court and rejected. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorongil Posted November 25, 2021 Share Posted November 25, 2021 7 minutes ago, oneteaminglasgow said: Aye, that must be it. I put across my view that Alba are full of, exclusively, crackpots, to which you said “well how come you find the SNP zoomers acceptable then?” You’ve since just asked me to defend a position which I haven’t, at any point, expressed. It’s definitely me arguing in bad faith here. Well, are crackpots good or bad? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted November 25, 2021 Share Posted November 25, 2021 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Thorongil said: Not sure how that is damning against Salmond. Had a near liaison with a colleague, didn’t, apologised informally for his part in it and the matter was ended. Just a normal human interaction. Until it was turned into a rape allegation years later, tested in court and rejected. I'll take that as a "Yes, welshbairn, you were right, I was talking out of my arse." Informal you say? Quote Salmond said a civil servant approached him about a “sensitive” matter soon afterwards. He said it was about Woman F and an incident at Bute House. Edited November 25, 2021 by welshbairn 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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