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Views on independence seem pretty evenly spread among Labour voters.
What's more amusing is that the statistics quoted on here often throw up head-scratchers like 10% of voters for the Scottish Conservative and Unionist Party supporting independence, and the reverse for the SNP. I guess it must be an airy-fairy, "sure, independence/union, whatever, I just really like the other policies".
Wait...the Tories don't have any other policies  :blink:


To be fair they’re the only party of the right and also the only party who support Brexit. So it’s conceivable that you could back independence but also favour centre-right politics and want iScotland to be outside of the EU. That might lead you to vote Tory if independence is the least of those three concerns.

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5 minutes ago, Donathan said:

To be fair they’re the only party of the right and also the only party who support Brexit. So it’s conceivable that you could back independence but also favour centre-right politics and want iScotland to be outside of the EU. That might lead you to vote Tory if independence is the least of those three concerns.

 

Aye, the surprise is more due to the fact that opposition to independence is literally the only issue that the Scottish Tories have been interested in discussing for a good five years or more.

Presumably you're supposed to infer that their policies are strictly everything that the Westminster party says, as they never wanted Holyrood to exist in the first place, PLUS no to Scottish independence. Being their leader in Scotland must be one of the easiest jobs going.

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12 hours ago, NUMBER 7 said:

My parents are both unfortunate dead, and I’d suspect it’s likely you won’t have seen as much of life I have, given my advancing years. I did however get a sufficiently good education, to tie you in knots when it comes to basic Arithmetic. 

The total number of registered voters in Scotland is 4,280,785  Not 4,208,900 you quote.  I appreciate folks sometimes write things down wrongly.

SNP and Greens in constituencies had 1,326,194  votes.  30.99%

SNP Greens and Alba on Regions had 1,359,611 votes   31.76%

Where you get 2,640,892 from, Christ only knows, I’d suspect you have added Pro Indy party votes in both the constituencies and regions, but omitted Alba for some reason. So your double counting the  total votes against the base electorate.

This kind of stacks up when it comes to the SNP Government grasp of figures.

The country basically has 32% that want independence 32% don’t want independence and 36% couldn’t be arsed voting last Thursday. When Indy Ref 2 happens the outcome will be decided from how many from that 36% if they decide to vote, which way they will vote. For what it’s worth I don’t think over 80% will vote the next time.

 

 

 

 

 

My apologies on mentioning your parents, I meant no harm and I was having some fun.

Ok your figures are correct on the C vote.

But to ignore the R vote as if the SNP had no singular votes there is a bit wild.

Consider that it's more than possible that Green, Alba, Labour voters and possibly LD's voters had voted for their party on the C ballot and then voted SNP on the R ballot.

Then your figure of 32% voting for Independence is inaccurate. 

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Looking forward to the phone-in on Radio 'Scotland' that has just started filling up with union bears telling me that I didn't vote for what I voted for, and that the parties with a majority of seats didn't win. Where's my popcorn?

Edited by Salt n Vinegar

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29 minutes ago, Salt n Vinegar said:

Looking forward to the phone-in on Radio 'Scotland' that has just started filling up with union bears telling me that I didn't vote for what I voted for, and that the parties with a majority of seats didn't win. Where's my popcorn?

BritNats: When I voted for Brexit, it wasn’t so that independence supporters could use it for their independence agenda! Quit speaking for us!

Also BritNats: When independence supporters elected a pro-independence majority into Holyrood, it was only to run a Scottish government - they obviously didn’t vote for it to seek the right to a referendum!

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9 hours ago, Tattie36 said:

That’s not what I said. What I’m saying is that to claim that all Labour votes (see your daft map) equate to a unionist majority is pish.

Surprisingly, Mary Scanlon, (ex tory MSP), was on the Kaye Adams phone in this morning and she was saying that when she phoned tory voters last week encouraging them to get out and vote tory, a lot of them were saying that they were giving a vote to the SNP as they felt that the vaccine went well and Nicola was on the telly every day letting people know what was happening.

Never in my puff did I ever imagine a tory giving a vote to the SNP but there you are.

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14 hours ago, Scary Bear said:

Look at that face. Are you happy at your work, hen?

I wonder how long she’ll still be up for being FM.

The year is 2023, the covid pandemic has passed, what is the reaction if Nicola says "The last few years have taken their toll on me, I'm happy to have steered the country out of the pandemic and it has been tireless work, i am now stepping down as leader so someone with more vigour can lead the next push for Independence"

That would be amazing. 

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Amazing because you're shite scared we'll actually get out of the so called United Kingdom?

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13 hours ago, DA Baracus said:

The Orange Order are all absolute garbage c***s. Complete and utter scum, total wastes of humanity. Fucking filth. Not Nazis though. Not that bad, although I would be in no way surprised if a good number of them 'sympathised' with some Nazi policy.

But you're a wee fanny who is making shit up. No one here has compared them to Nazis. I challenge you to find a single post saying as such.

 

On 04/05/2019 at 13:15, GAD said:

Yeah, it's the same way its hard to see no voters as anything other than Nazi saluting racist orange order members. The unionist movement really hasn't done anything near enough to distance themselves from these people.

 

Took 10 seconds to find using the search function. Let's drop the collective amnesia that likes to blight certain Indy supporters at different times. 

Edited by Stormzy

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10 hours ago, edinabear said:

Conclusively evidence. Independence must be inevitable 

It's perpetually inevitable. Has been for over 20 years. 

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8 minutes ago, Stellaboz said:

Amazing because you're shite scared we'll actually get out of the so called United Kingdom?

Why would I be scared? More people want to remain in the Union, I'd love a referendum. I'm pretty sure I want a referendum more than 80% of Indy supporters on here. 

I think it would be hilarious if Sturgeon resigned before then, she gets accusations around being a career politican from people within the Indy movement and I think that would make their heads explode. 

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3 minutes ago, Stormzy said:

Why would I be scared? More people want to remain in the Union, I'd love a referendum. I'm pretty sure I want a referendum more than 80% of Indy supporters on here. 

I think it would be hilarious if Sturgeon resigned before then, she gets accusations around being a career politican from people within the Indy movement and I think that would make their heads explode. 

More people want independence. I'd be happy to see one right now also. 

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36 minutes ago, Stellaboz said:

More people want independence. I'd be happy to see one right now also. 

Any evidence to back up your laughable claim? 

I'd imagine you are in the minority on your side but fair enough. 

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1 hour ago, Stormzy said:

The year is 2023, the covid pandemic has passed, what is the reaction if Nicola says "The last few years have taken their toll on me, I'm happy to have steered the country out of the pandemic and it has been tireless work, i am now stepping down as leader so someone with more vigour can lead the next push for Independence"

That would be amazing. 

It wouldn’t surprise me if something like this happened. No human being can go through the sort of nonsense she’s had to deal with in the last few years (Brexit, COVID-19, Sex scandal and subsequent inquiry) without it taking a toll. 

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58 minutes ago, Stormzy said:

 

 

Took 10 seconds to find using the search function. Let's drop the collective amnesia that likes to blight certain Indy supporters at different times. 

Not really interested in getting involved here, but that comment you've taken is completely out of context, considering it was a clearly sarcastic response to a post insisting the "England out of Scotland" guys were the true face of Scottish nationalism.

Also, saying somebody is a Nazi saluting orange order member is not the same as saying Orange Order members are all Nazis.

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2 minutes ago, GAD said:

Not really interested in getting involved here, but that comment you've taken is completely out of context, considering it was a clearly sarcastic response to a post insisting the "England out of Scotland" guys were the true face of Scottish nationalism.

Also, saying somebody is a Nazi saluting orange order member is not the same as saying Orange Order members are all Nazis.

Apologies for choosing your post, I'm also not interested in getting into that argument but the man asked for one post and I searched OO and Nazi and that popped up. There's been examples used on here to compare the two plenty of times. 

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3 minutes ago, Stormzy said:

Apologies for choosing your post, I'm also not interested in getting into that argument but the man asked for one post and I searched OO and Nazi and that popped up. There's been examples used on here to compare the two plenty of times. 

Fair enough.

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Any evidence to back up your laughable claim? 
I'd imagine you are in the minority on your side but fair enough. 
The number of votes going the way of Indy parties.

You have f**k all claim to say you're on the majority anymore. So let's have a referendum and find out eh?

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2 minutes ago, Stellaboz said:

The number of votes going the way of Indy parties.

You have f**k all claim to say you're on the majority anymore. So let's have a referendum and find out eh?

Oooft that's certainly an intriguing argument. 

Aye I've said I want one, sooner rather than later. As I've said though I don't think the majority of your side are quite as eager as you or I. 

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I'm going to be brave enough to say that the Orange Order are fair game for being called Nazis given they love certain salutes and oppressing minorities within their own borders. Also it annoys people that I like winding up.

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