Scottish Parliamentary Elections May 2021

[Melanius Mullarkey]

Who let edinabear out of the “Scoatland needs ra glesca Colts if wur going tae wun a wurld cup” thread?

[Ira Gaines]

Lex

[GordonS]

2 minutes ago, Tartan Dave said:

Was feeling pretty despondent last night. Pretty happy now, Green list vote very encouraging. Looks like a referendum tomorrow would be 50/50. Get a solid answer to the currency question, a couple more years of Boris Johnson’s pish and I think a referendum is very winnable.

Difficulty with the currency debate is that the right answer politically is the wrong answer economically, and vice versa.

[Granny Danger]

If the unionists are so confident that the people of Scotland don’t want Independence why are they so opposed to that question being put to them?

[Baxter Parp]

Yeah it’s the same conversations as have been happening for the last five years that will happen for the next five.
‘Historic mandate for a referendum, clear and settled will of the Scottish people etc etc’
Oh, what percentage of votes went to Indy supporting parties?
‘48%’
Right so the majority of voters voted for parties who want to stay in the union?
‘Yes, but what about the Tories?’

"Second independence vote backed by 60% of UK Labour supporters, survey suggests | Evening Standard" https://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/scotland-keir-starmer-yougov-scottish-parliament-scottish-b930028.html?amp

[GordonS]

3 minutes ago, Lex said:

 

Yeah it’s the same conversations as have been happening for the last five years that will happen for the next five.
‘Historic mandate for a referendum, clear and settled will of the Scottish people etc etc’
Oh, what percentage of votes went to Indy supporting parties?
‘48%’
Right so the majority of voters voted for parties who want to stay in the union?
‘Yes, but what about the Tories?’

 

So you're pretending the regional votes don't count?

[betting competition]

Just now, Baxter Parp said:

"Second independence vote backed by 60% of UK Labour supporters, survey suggests | Evening Standard" https://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/scotland-keir-starmer-yougov-scottish-parliament-scottish-b930028.html?amp

Can't be that much UK Labour supporters left!

[101]

The Tory on the Beeb sadly unable to afford his leccy

[Guest Bob Mahelp]

1 minute ago, Lex said:

 

Yeah it’s the same conversations as have been happening for the last five years that will happen for the next five.
‘Historic mandate for a referendum, clear and settled will of the Scottish people etc etc’
Oh, what percentage of votes went to Indy supporting parties?
‘48%’
Right so the majority of voters voted for parties who want to stay in the union?
‘Yes, but what about the Tories?’

 

Straw man pish. 

At no point in UK parliamentary history has anyone said to the party in government...'you cannot enact what you said in your manifesto because you won less than 50% of the vote'.  

The Tories are passing laws, and dragged us out of the EU, despite having the support of around 35% of the total electorate. 

So don't come out with this Yoon shite that somehow, now, in this election, the SNP have no mandate to call a 2nd referendum. With all respect, get to utter f**k with this nonsense. 

[Miguel Sanchez]

Just now, Pato said:

This is so low effort man.

Are you new to Lex's oeuvre? 

[GordonS]

12 minutes ago, edinabear said:

Majority of seats but not majority of votes. If the Nationalist vote is above 50% then fine have another indyref. The reality is that the Nationalist vote has not increased at all since 2014. Continually stuck between 45 and 49%. Scottish politics is forever stuck in this nonsense cycle. 

Current scores on the regional vote is 51.4% pro-indy.

I think all reasonable people must be at the point where we can agree the only way to resolve this is another referendum once the pandemic is over.

[dirty dingus]

Is this the branch offices position?

Monica Lennon says if pro-independence parties win majority in May, Labour must accept vote is needed

[BigDoddyKane]

the question should be when can indy2 be won not when can it happen, choosing the right time is the question. I have no idea when that it is but thats the debate and thats what the facts should be backing when its decided

[wirez]

1 minute ago, dirty dingus said:

Is this the branch offices position?

Monica Lennon says if pro-independence parties win majority in May, Labour must accept vote is needed

Naw.

That is why she lost to Sarwar.

[betting competition]

bbc missed the list result from Glasgow ffs

[Guest]

Well done. They've actually gone and missed the Glasgow Declaration. Fucking disasters

[SANTAN]

2 minutes ago, Pato said:

This is so low effort man. You either accept a plurality of votes is enough to get a government north and south of the border or you don't.

If you acknowledge the plurality then the discussion moves on to the viability, if the SNP campaign on something they can't deliver what sort of mandate is that, did the SNP have a mandate to stop Scotland withdrawing from the EU at any point? 

I don't think Boris will make it easy but I'm certainly open to having another one in 2 years if people actually want one at that time (Indy supporters) that is. 

[Lex]

Now it’s the classic some of the people voting for the union parties are actually Indy supporters.
Maybe true. Equally, some of the people voting for the separatist parties are actually unionists. We can speculate on what percentage may be what. But, what is without question, is more people in Scotland voted for unionist parties in the constituency ballot than separatists. Probably be true on the list too.
Absolutely LOVE how precious the nats get when this inconvenient fact gets pointed out.

[SANTAN]

8 minutes ago, SweeperDee said:

How many Labour voters want an Indy ref? I’ll wait.

Now do Greens and SNP. 

[btb]

9 minutes ago, Baxter Parp said:

"Second independence vote backed by 60% of UK Labour supporters, survey suggests | Evening Standard" https://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/scotland-keir-starmer-yougov-scottish-parliament-scottish-b930028.html?amp

The only Labour folks who gain from their anti-Indy stance are career polits  like Jackie Baillie, they're on course to lose seats, percentage vote and most importantly credibility.

Edited May 8, 2021 by btb