Scottish Parliamentary Elections May 2021

[Scary Bear]

3 minutes ago, Jim McLean's Ghost said:

We need a list of constituencies where the Lib Dems didn't hit 4 figures.

I would feel a bit sorry for them, but then I remember 2010 and that they killed themselves. They seem happy for Willie Rennie to be their leader. He is only their leader because they got decimated as a result of their poor decisions and didn’t have anyone decent to choose from. He is their leader by default. They are a dead party. 

[Adamski]

List votes for Maryhill and Springburn:

SNP ~ 13158 (47.1%, -0.5) Lab ~ 6722 (24.1%, -1.4) Con ~ 2984 (10.7%, +1) Green ~ 2847 (10.2%, +2.2) Lib Dem ~ 503 (1.8%, nc) Alba ~ 529 (1.9%, +1.9) AFU ~ 229 (0.8%, +0.8) Others ~ 961 (3.4%, -3.9).

And Pollok:

SNP ~ 16600 (49.1%, -1.2) Labour ~ 8899 (26.3%, +0.1) Conservative ~ 3832 (11.3%, +2.1) Green ~ 1975 (5.8%, +0.9) Lib Dem ~ 455 (1.3%, nc) Alba ~ 659 (1.9%, +1.9) AFU ~ 318 (0.9%, +0.9) Others ~ 1090 (3.2%, -4.9)

Edited May 7, 2021 by Adamski

[Jan Vojáček]

7 minutes ago, Jim McLean's Ghost said:

So that SNPers get their hopes up and then she can get a good laugh at them when she knows she has won. And her fanboys can post shite like this

 

I mean, I suppose that is possible. But it seems unlikely. Especially when the result was expected to be seriously close. It easily could've backfired and everyone would've thought that she had ordered a recount and ended up losing by more.

I was sat in the hall when the Sky guy Tweeted the rumour. And ballots were still being counted. It was pretty obvious to see it wasn't true with a simple glance up. One question to Jackie and she said it wasn't true; one question to an SNP representative (Toni hadn't arrived yet) and he said the same. It was dire journalism. And I say that as a journalist who will always be the first to defend the profession. 

Anyway, the SNP lost in Dumbarton because they didn't choose a local candidate. If they had picked a well-respected councillor like they did in 2017 I think they'd have taken it. 

[Miguel Sanchez]

4 minutes ago, Scary Bear said:

I would feel a bit sorry for them, but then I remember 2010 and that they killed themselves. They seem happy for Willie Rennie to be their leader. He is only their leader because they got decimated as a result of their poor decisions and didn’t have anyone decent to choose from. He is their leader by default. They are a dead party. 

2011 Scottish Liberal Democrats leadership election - Wikipedia

The 2011 Scottish Liberal Democrats leadership election was triggered by the resignation of party leader Tavish Scott on 7 May 2011, due to the very poor showing of the party at the 2011 Scottish parliament election, in which the Liberal Democrats only returned 5 MSPs and lost 12.^[1]

[GiGi]

The gammons taking things with their usual grace.

Hopefully he's doing alright and that but I'm sure a certain Rangers fan on here will see the irony.

[Ginaro]

23 minutes ago, Saltire said:

If that is replicated across Glasgow, Labour and the Greens will each pick up 3 list MSPs and the Tories 1 .

Other list votes are: 11, 10, 7, 6% - assume 2 list MSPs is more likely.

[vikingTON]

1-2% extra for the Greens is piss-poor if replicated across the board.

Nearly half of all list votes in Glasgow wards being piled in the bin because of the SNP's gormless 'both votes SNP!!!!111!!!!' strategy. 

Edited May 7, 2021 by vikingTON

[ayrmad]

10 minutes ago, virginton said:

2% extra for the Greens is piss-poor if replicated across the board.

Nearly half of all list votes in Glasgow wards being piled in the bin because of the SNP's gormless 'both votes SNP!!!!111!!!!' strategy. 

Not surprised, looks like we're no further forward than we were on Wednesday, she might prove us all wrong and produce a plan B that isn't just a Partridge shrug. 

Edited May 7, 2021 by ayrmad

[Scary Bear]

2 minutes ago, virginton said:

1-2% extra for the Greens is piss-poor if replicated across the board.

Nearly half of all list votes in Glasgow wards being piled in the bin because of the SNP's gormless 'both votes SNP!!!!111!!!!' strategy. 

It’s a concern. The number of people who do this election after election with the same results is a mild annoyance. It’s almost like a large section of the electorate are not particularly politically engaged and just do the same thing at every election.

[DeeTillEhDeh]

It’s a concern. The number of people who do this election after election with the same results is a mild annoyance. It’s almost like a large section of the electorate are not particularly politically engaged and just do the same thing at every election.

Even after 22 years it never ceases to amaze the number of people who don't understand the list vote.

[Scary Bear]

1 minute ago, DeeTillEhDeh said:

3 minutes ago, Scary Bear said:

It’s a concern. The number of people who do this election after election with the same results is a mild annoyance. It’s almost like a large section of the electorate are not particularly politically engaged and just do the same thing at every election.

Even after 22 years it never ceases to amaze the number of people who don't understand the list vote.

Two Xs for different parties at the same election is obviously difficult to get your head round.

[Adamski]

6 minutes ago, Scary Bear said:

It’s a concern. The number of people who do this election after election with the same results is a mild annoyance. It’s almost like a large section of the electorate are not particularly politically engaged and just do the same thing at every election.

'Both Votes SNP' was front and centre in their campaign. There was no need for that. Actively encouraging votes for other parties would of course have drawn accusations of gaming the system, but I do wonder if just keeping fairly quiet about the list might have resulted in more pro-indy MSPs.

Edited May 7, 2021 by Adamski

[microdave]

We need a list of constituencies where the Lib Dems didn't hit 4 figures.

Airdrie & Shotts 562
Ayr 808
Coatbridge & Chryston 622
Cunninghame North 967
Cunninghame South 715
Dumbarton 676
Eastwood 911
Glasgow Maryhill & Springburn 688
Glasgow Pollok 522
Glasgow Southside 504
Kilmarnock & Irvine Valley 919
Motherwell & Wishaw 557
Na h-Eileanan an Iar 353
Renfrewshire North & West 933

[GordonS]

43 minutes ago, wirez said:

Well if we are going down the Yellow Brick Road on that journey from the first of many SNP mandates for independence.

First rule. Nobody gets to look behind the curtain!

We have got this and only we know what the strategy is.

I really have no idea what you're talking about.

Step 1 - ask for a section 30 order.

If they say no, step 2 - pass the legislation in the Scottish Parliament and fight the inevitable challenge in the Supreme Court.

If that fails, there's no magic step 3. All that's left is the kind of activism we had to go through in the 90s until we got devolution.

There are people who want to go for civil disobedience or UDI if/ when steps 1 and 2 fail. Those things will make everything worse and not have any success.

There are no magic answers.

[ayrmad]

4 minutes ago, Scary Bear said:

It’s a concern. The number of people who do this election after election with the same results is a mild annoyance. It’s almost like a large section of the electorate are not particularly politically engaged and just do the same thing at every election.

It's understandable when the party you support begs for you to waste your 2nd vote on them. 

We'll need to hope they nick a majority on their own now to give them a stronger voice than last week. 

[John Lambies Doos]

It’s a concern. The number of people who do this election after election with the same results is a mild annoyance. It’s almost like a large section of the electorate are not particularly politically engaged and just do the same thing at every election.

They seemed to be pretty engaged in the unionist tactical voting area

[Scary Bear]

Just now, John Lambies Doos said:

7 minutes ago, Scary Bear said:

It’s a concern. The number of people who do this election after election with the same results is a mild annoyance. It’s almost like a large section of the electorate are not particularly politically engaged and just do the same thing at every election.

They seemed to be pretty engaged in the unionist tactical voting area

Well good for them. At least they are smart enough to get the result they desire.

[ayrmad]

2 minutes ago, Adamski said:

'Both Votes SNP' was front and centre in their campaign. There was no need for that. Actively encouraging votes for other parties would of course have drawn accusations of gaming the system, but I do wonder if just keeping fairly quiet about the list might have resulted in more pro-indy MSPs.

They don't want more, just enough to give a wee bit of insurance is all they want. 

[John Lambies Doos]

Well good for them. At least they are smart enough to get the result they desire.

Exactly. I still see around 10 greens being returned

[DAFC.]

If the SNP don’t make any further gains but hold on to their constituencies still to be called (which produces 62 constituency MSPs given they have nicked 3 already), is there any possibility of them getting at least 3 list MSPs to get over the line? Or are they still relying on nicking the other two target seats? That looks extremely unlikely given the staunch Yoon tactical voting we have seen thus far.