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38 minutes ago, williemillersmoustache said:

Here's one for the melts that get all upset when those murdering Tory c***s, get correctly called murdering Tory c***s.

Read the whole thread if you have the time. 

 

 

 

It's a dilemma.

On one hand, vulnerable and poor people's lives. 

On the other hand, unearned income and returns on capital investment. 

What's a tory to do? 

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Tory MP, Andrew Rosindell. You might not have heard of him. but you might remember that some dingbat Tory MP wanted the "National Anthem" played at closedown on BBC1 everynight (y'know, like the old days). Well that was him.
More recently he said of the Universal Credit up lift, "I think there are people that quite like getting the extra £20 but maybe they don't need it." And of MP's having second jobs, he said "We have to realise that we’re dealing with human beings who have families and responsibilities".
He was a friend of Chilean Dictator Pinochet and is a friend of Nigel Farage and Tommy Robinson. He was vice-chairman of Conservative Friends of Russia. He believes that abortion should be illegal, he would bring back the death penalty, and thinks that rapist should be castrated.
And in TOTALLY UNRELATED news a Tory MP, has been charged with multiple instances of rape, sexual assault and abuse of position of trust and misconduct in public office, over a 7 year period.
The Tory MP has been banned from attending Parliament but has NOT had the Tory whip removed.
In other news, Andrew Rosindell did not attend Parliament today.
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5 hours ago, MacDuffman said:
Tory MP, Andrew Rosindell. You might not have heard of him. but you might remember that some dingbat Tory MP wanted the "National Anthem" played at closedown on BBC1 everynight (y'know, like the old days). Well that was him.
More recently he said of the Universal Credit up lift, "I think there are people that quite like getting the extra £20 but maybe they don't need it." And of MP's having second jobs, he said "We have to realise that we’re dealing with human beings who have families and responsibilities".
He was a friend of Chilean Dictator Pinochet and is a friend of Nigel Farage and Tommy Robinson. He was vice-chairman of Conservative Friends of Russia. He believes that abortion should be illegal, he would bring back the death penalty, and thinks that rapist should be castrated.
And in TOTALLY UNRELATED news a Tory MP, has been charged with multiple instances of rape, sexual assault and abuse of position of trust and misconduct in public office, over a 7 year period.
The Tory MP has been banned from attending Parliament but has NOT had the Tory whip removed.
In other news, Andrew Rosindell did not attend Parliament today.

I wonder if his policy on castration for rapists has changed recently?

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8 hours ago, MacDuffman said:
Tory MP, Andrew Rosindell. You might not have heard of him. but you might remember that some dingbat Tory MP wanted the "National Anthem" played at closedown on BBC1 everynight (y'know, like the old days). Well that was him.
More recently he said of the Universal Credit up lift, "I think there are people that quite like getting the extra £20 but maybe they don't need it." And of MP's having second jobs, he said "We have to realise that we’re dealing with human beings who have families and responsibilities".
He was a friend of Chilean Dictator Pinochet and is a friend of Nigel Farage and Tommy Robinson. He was vice-chairman of Conservative Friends of Russia. He believes that abortion should be illegal, he would bring back the death penalty, and thinks that rapist should be castrated.
And in TOTALLY UNRELATED news a Tory MP, has been charged with multiple instances of rape, sexual assault and abuse of position of trust and misconduct in public office, over a 7 year period.
The Tory MP has been banned from attending Parliament but has NOT had the Tory whip removed.
In other news, Andrew Rosindell did not attend Parliament today.

Andrew Rosindell has some balls.  Hopefully not for long.

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2 hours ago, Albus Bulbasaur said:

 

 

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Yet this is still your preferred system of governance? Hope that Labour can reverse decades of Tory corruption by winning an election every 20 years or so?

Good luck with convincing anyone with that approach.

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12 minutes ago, lichtgilphead said:

Yet this is still your preferred system of governance? Hope that Labour can reverse decades of Tory corruption by winning an election every 20 years or so?

Good luck with convincing anyone with that approach.

There's more chance of the UK backing Labour into power than there is Scottish Independence. 

As usual you're forgetting that people are relativley content with the status quo when it comes to the Union. The onus is on you to convince people otherwise but so far your arguments on that front are lacking substance. 

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Ye. Bewildering why most folks in Scotland content with this, but there you go. Personally would prefer to wait another couple of general elections, before another referendum. Looks like a minimal shift to Yes in 8 years, same again would maybe give a majority. Who knows. 

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6 hours ago, carpetmonster said:

Decent piece from Jonathan Freedland - https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/may/20/boris-johnson-lying-pm-britain-tories

 

If anyone's short on time and needs a TLDR, it is thus: they're all c***s. 

The dodgy online translation of a foreign news article about Andrew Rosindell is more right than it knows. Or, at least, I assume this is a dodgy online mistranslation.

Tory MP  members of Boris Johnson’s party are arrested for the acquisition of many serious charges at once of sexual assault, assault, rape, misconduct, and abuse of the position of trust.

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10 hours ago, Albus Bulbasaur said:

There's more chance of the UK backing Labour into power than there is Scottish Independence. 

As usual you're forgetting that people are relativley content with the status quo when it comes to the Union. The onus is on you to convince people otherwise but so far your arguments on that front are lacking substance. 

No chance. Labour aren't right wing enough to win in England. And in Scotland they are a loss of a vote. The best they can hope for is being the largest party and a coalition with LibDems. Which is just more of the same under the Tories.

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8 minutes ago, Highlandmagyar Tier 3 said:

No chance. Labour aren't right wing enough to win in England. And in Scotland they are a loss of a vote. The best they can hope for is being the largest party and a coalition with LibDems. Which is just more of the same under the Tories.

I didn't say it was inevitable I said there was more chance of Labour being in government next GE than Scotland voting for Independence which is true. 

I'm confident they'll win a few seats in Scotland and it'll probably be a lib dem prop up but that's not what I'd call "Tory". Much better than the actual tories or tartan tories running Scotland imo. 

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13 minutes ago, Albus Bulbasaur said:

I didn't say it was inevitable I said there was more chance of Labour being in government next GE than Scotland voting for Independence which is true. 

I'm confident they'll win a few seats in Scotland and it'll probably be a lib dem prop up but that's not what I'd call "Tory". Much better than the actual tories or tartan tories running Scotland imo. 

Really? Tartan Tories? I voted Labour since 1979 until the last General Election.  The SNP could be labelled as Tartan Tories years back, but not now. I am no SNP fan by any means but I am voting for them to push the independence agenda. Since 2010 the English have shown they are natural Tories and Brexit opened Pandora's box of the racist element in them. Look at opinion polls. The most corrupt government in my lifetime and yet Labour would still not win a majority. The English voter love the Tories. The only way now to get rid of the Tories in Scotland is by independence. As soon as we get it, I will be looking at left wing parties to vote for, not the SNP.

 

And as for a coalition with LibDems? They are a horrible unprincipled band. Anything for power. Remember what they done with the Tories? 

 

And where is the truth of a Labour government before a successful independence vote?

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Just now, Highlandmagyar Tier 3 said:

Really? Tartan Tories? I voted Labour since 1979 until the last General Election.  The SNP could be labelled as Tartan Tories years back, but not now. I am no SNP fan by any means but I am voting for them to push the independence agenda. Since 2010 the English gave shown they are natural Tories and Brexit opened Pandora's box of the racist element in them. Look at opinion polls. The most corrupt government in my lifetime and yet Labour would still not win a majority. The English voter love the Tories. The only way now to get rid of the Tories in Scotland is by independence. As soon as we get it, I will be looking at left wing parties to vote for, not the SNP.

No it's not. The idea that it's impossible for them to win the next GE isn't something I agree with. 

I've seen other people say after Indy that Scotland would elect some progressive left wing party instead of the SNP but I'm rather skeptical on this idea. Could you please tell me why considering the majority of the electorate vote for centre right parties now they would suddenly decide to vote for something else post Indy vote? 

If there was the appetite for such politics in Scotland then there would be a party now with such values that had success. In my view most of the Indy nutters (a lot of the posters on here) like to believe Scottish voters are better than voters from England and the rest of the UK and that they're much more progressive which isn't true, it's a coping mechanism to justify their Nationalism usually. 

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3 minutes ago, Albus Bulbasaur said:

No it's not. The idea that it's impossible for them to win the next GE isn't something I agree with. 

I've seen other people say after Indy that Scotland would elect some progressive left wing party instead of the SNP but I'm rather skeptical on this idea. Could you please tell me why considering the majority of the electorate vote for centre right parties now they would suddenly decide to vote for something else post Indy vote? 

If there was the appetite for such politics in Scotland then there would be a party now with such values that had success. In my view most of the Indy nutters (a lot of the posters on here) like to believe Scottish voters are better than voters from England and the rest of the UK and that they're much more progressive which isn't true, it's a coping mechanism to justify their Nationalism usually. 

I think you have blinkers of unionism on. Scottish voters are more progressive than English ones nowadays. They are rejecting far right politics. The only vehicle open for independence is the SNP. The Labour, who are a mess, I genuinely believe there will be a break up of the SNP with splinter groups of left, right and centre forming other parties. Hopefully a socialist party emerges to carry Scottish voters real concern of a society( which Tories don't believe in) to power. I suspect that the SNP would hold together for a first independent election. After that I believe there will be a big sea change in Scottish politics. I think Brexit proves right away that, on the whole, show Scottish voters to be a bit wiser in politics than the English. Xenophobia, racism and the little Englander truism poured out at the referendum. 

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I just don't see how the numbers are going to stack up for Labour in order to win power in a GE any time soon. English voters in particular are still largely favouring the corrupt, mendacious Tory Government in living memory, led by a PM who quite openly doesn't give a shite about the public, or indeed doing his job. Not only that he leads a cabinet made up of politicians who would have been at home in the BNP 15 years ago, topped off by a billionaire Chancellor with shady Tax status issues. Throw in a few rapey and racist MPs and you have a party mired in greater levels of sleaze than saw them emptied by Tony Blair's New Labour in 1997 in emphatic fashion. 

A snap election now would at best see the Tories with most MP's, possibly depending on a need to bribe the Dinosaur Deniers again. Any decent, well-organised major opposition party should be absolutely demolishing the Tories in the polls just now, and whilst Starmer is doing a bit better lately in terms of polling, when push comes to shove, the electorate will edge the Tories in again when it shouldn't even be close enough for that to happen. In any case, if the Tories look to be any danger at all prior to the next election, they'll bump BoJo for a visually safe pair of hands and win fairly easily. 

Aside from Labour's obvious problem with internal politics and trying too hard to appeal to folk who'll never vote for them, they have completely lost Scotland, where they could generally have relied on 30+ seats in the old days. They are an unelectable rabble up here with zero political talent coming through the ranks. I don't see how they get out of this hole in the next decade at least. 

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1 minute ago, Highlandmagyar Tier 3 said:

I think you have blinkers of unionism on. Scottish voters are more progressive than English ones nowadays. They are rejecting far right politics. The only vehicle open for independence is the SNP. The Labour, who are a mess, I genuinely believe there will be a break up of the SNP with splinter groups of left, right and centre forming other parties. Hopefully a socialist party emerges to carry Scottish voters real concern of a society( which Tories don't believe in) to power. I suspect that the SNP would hold together for a first independent election. After that I believe there will be a big sea change in Scottish politics. I think Brexit proves right away that, on the whole, show Scottish voters to be a bit wiser in politics than the English. Xenophobia, racism and the little Englander truism poured out at the referendum. 

There may be a difference and if there is it's minor. The voting systems lead to Tories getting elected with a small vote share. Local election results had a hell of a lot of people backing Labour and Lib Dems and rejecting this current crop of Tories and I expect that to be the case at a GE.

I understand your second paragraph is what you would like to see happen but you didn't answer why there isn't a successful socialist parry now? I'd imagine Scotland would reject it, is the vote share for Unionist parties not slightly higher in Scotland at the moment? (Could be wrong on that) 

I just don't see why there would be some massive change either way? There's nothing that would spur this on to happen unless say the SNP dissolved completely which would never happen. 

Strongly disagree on your last part. The Brexit thing is pure political posturing. Unfair to say Scottish voters are wiser than English and use xenophobia and "little englanders" when we have Nationalists in power in Scotland that dogwhistle for Anglophobia all the time. The xenophobia that was about during the Indy Ref was frightening.

Both countries clearly have issues with a minority group of morons... 

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13 minutes ago, Albus Bulbasaur said:

There may be a difference and if there is it's minor. The voting systems lead to Tories getting elected with a small vote share. Local election results had a hell of a lot of people backing Labour and Lib Dems and rejecting this current crop of Tories and I expect that to be the case at a GE.

I understand your second paragraph is what you would like to see happen but you didn't answer why there isn't a successful socialist parry now? I'd imagine Scotland would reject it, is the vote share for Unionist parties not slightly higher in Scotland at the moment? (Could be wrong on that) 

I just don't see why there would be some massive change either way? There's nothing that would spur this on to happen unless say the SNP dissolved completely which would never happen. 

Strongly disagree on your last part. The Brexit thing is pure political posturing. Unfair to say Scottish voters are wiser than English and use xenophobia and "little englanders" when we have Nationalists in power in Scotland that dogwhistle for Anglophobia all the time. The xenophobia that was about during the Indy Ref was frightening.

Both countries clearly have issues with a minority group of morons... 

The opinion polls on an independence vote does favour the unionist parties at the moment. But remember that pre 2014 the polls showed an average of 68% No to 32% Yes. It ended 55% 45%. If that swing to happen again, then independence would be voted for. I suspect that the pandemic slowed the surge right down. Now we are moving clear of that, we will get back to the normal. And SNP's biggest ally is this Tory government. There are no left leaning parties in Scotland at the moment because Labour are beholden to London and are pro union. If Labour broke with London, but stayed affiliated then they would probably start eating into the SNP vote. 

 

Of course there are morons in both countries, but as a percentage I would bet that England's share is bigger. Xenophobia in the Brexit campaign clearly showed that. And the rise in extreme right wing organisations in England is alarming.

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