Tory Lies, Corruption and Hypocrisy- Add Them Here

[HTG]

 

Particularly like this bit 

39. Braverman, also claimed to have “contributed” to a legal textbook 40. The book’s author says she “made no written or editorial contribution”, merely did some photocopying for him

[BFTD]

1 hour ago, Alert Mongoose said:

Except when it's aggressive tax avoidance/evasion funnily enough.

You can't give the lower classes an inch in case they start believing they're real people.

[Granny Danger]

29 minutes ago, HTG said:

 

Particularly like this bit 

39. Braverman, also claimed to have “contributed” to a legal textbook 40. The book’s author says she “made no written or editorial contribution”, merely did some photocopying for him

I genuinely don’t believe that.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Who would entrust Braverman with photocopying?

[DeeTillEhDeh]

Maybe they'd have found UC easier to implement if they hadn't apparently designed it from the point of view that 100% of claimants are shysters trying to rig the system and take the piss.
Their obsessive need to nail the handful of people who genuinely take the piss (as with every walk of life) by claiming what they are not entitled to means that some of the most vulnerable people in society get steam-rollered as a consequence.
IMO, that is the issue at the core of our welfare state's problems.

Who's hacked Oaksoft's account?

[CambieBud]

This sums up Tory policy in a nutshell. Businesses stole millions through Covid by claiming government payments for employees that don’t exist. HMRC told to not pursue. 
single parent on UC works a few hours to pay her heating and faces prosecution by DWP. Is this the levelling up agenda?

[Dawson Park Boy]

5 minutes ago, CambieBud said:

This sums up Tory policy in a nutshell. Businesses stole millions through Covid by claiming government payments for employees that don’t exist. HMRC told to not pursue. 
single parent on UC works a few hours to pay her heating and faces prosecution by DWP. Is this the levelling up agenda?

Neither of those scenarios are right but sometimes it’s just impossible or impracticable to pursue crooks who have maybe fled the country or operated the scam from abroad. HMRC are a top notch department but sometimes there efforts to catch wrongdoers fail. They had to move quickly with the furlough scheme otherwise the whole economy could have collapsed.

Your single parent isn’t going anywhere and is obviously easier to catch. However, if she breaks the law, she needs to be punished.

Your portrayal is not fair.

[Clown Job]

 

[10menwent2mow]

20 hours ago, Dawson Park Boy said:

 

We do actually have some folks who are fit and well!

What about parents, if they are working extra for minimal gain but then have to fork out more in childcare then they are actually worse off. 

[Dawson Park Boy]

21 minutes ago, 10menwent2mow said:

What about parents, if they are working extra for minimal gain but then have to fork out more in childcare then they are actually worse off. 

Obviously, families need to take all those factors into account when planning their lives.

[DA Baracus]

1 hour ago, CambieBud said:

This sums up Tory policy in a nutshell. Businesses stole millions through Covid by claiming government payments for employees that don’t exist. HMRC told to not pursue. 
single parent on UC works a few hours to pay her heating and faces prosecution by DWP. Is this the levelling up agenda?

They stole circa £9b through dodgy COVID 'businesses' like fake companies that 'won' PPI contracts and the likes.

Multiple people should be doing lengthy jail time for it.

[Granny Danger]

1 hour ago, Clown Job said:

 

Aye, but just wait until a Labour government gets in and …err… does absolutely nothing to address this…

[AndyM]

1 hour ago, Clown Job said:

 

The lack of transparency is what is so rotten. The Tufton St mobs refuse to answer the basic question of who funds them. In the main they these groups are all frothing far right libertarian nutjobs that now have their hands on the wheel and are crashing the car into the wall.

[Dawson Park Boy]

9 minutes ago, oaksoft said:

What about a family who does plan everything the the nth degree, has children they can afford, a house they can afford etc.

And then one day the main breadwinner gets a virus which wipes out their immune system?

Or dies in a car crash?

Or suffers a brain injury?

Or needs to pack in highly paid work to care for their spouse?

Or is attacked in the street and is hospitalised for a length of time?

Or has a breakdown after the death of a child?

Or suffers a mental collapse due to work pressure?

Or is made redundant at an age where getting another job paying the same amount becomes impossible.

Or a myriad other things which f**k up a comfortable life with zero warning?

We're all one step away from disaster. But it seems so many of us just don't see that ever happening to us.

Until it does.

And then we find the welfare state we voted in the Tories to specifically dismantle is no longer there to help us.

All because the idea of wee Jeanie working a few hours for cash to pay her bills was too much for us to bear?

Be careful what you wish for DPB.

You are correct that we are all one step from disaster and, yes, yes, yes, that’s what the welfare state is for.

When Beveridge set it up it was meant to be a means to allow people to get through a period of unemployment, sickness or some other catastrophe.

Nobody, certainly not me disagrees with that.

If the catastrophe is one of long term illness then state help needs to be long term and generous.

I think you are accusing me of stating things which I most certainly didn’t.

I do , however, think that there needs to be a degree of personal responsibility in how we conduct our lives :-

Can we afford all those children?

Can we afford the childcare?

Should we eat ourselves to extreme obesity?

Should we drink to a level which affects our health.

Just a few examples where the individual needs to take care of their own lives.

Just yesterday I was at the funeral of a 52 year old who effectively killed himself through drink and drugs.

So, so sad!

Anyway, I find it hard to think you could disagree with any of that?

[Inanimate Carbon Rod]

2 hours ago, Dawson Park Boy said:

Neither of those scenarios are right but sometimes it’s just impossible or impracticable to pursue crooks who have maybe fled the country or operated the scam from abroad. HMRC are a top notch department but sometimes there efforts to catch wrongdoers fail. They had to move quickly with the furlough scheme otherwise the whole economy could have collapsed.

Your single parent isn’t going anywhere and is obviously easier to catch. However, if she breaks the law, she needs to be punished.

Your portrayal is not fair.

Lol 

[HTG]

6 hours ago, Dawson Park Boy said:

Neither of those scenarios are right but sometimes it’s just impossible or impracticable to pursue crooks who have maybe fled the country or operated the scam from abroad. HMRC are a top notch department but sometimes there efforts to catch wrongdoers fail. They had to move quickly with the furlough scheme otherwise the whole economy could have collapsed.

Your single parent isn’t going anywhere and is obviously easier to catch. However, if she breaks the law, she needs to be punished.

Your portrayal is not fair.

Without wishing to be in any way insulting on a personal level given the current board rules, the view expressed above is absolute and utter fucking dugshite. 

[Suspect Device]

So what has Conor Burns done? Anyone heard?

[Salt n Vinegar]

1 minute ago, Suspect Device said:

So what has Conor Burns done? Anyone heard?

Possibly suggested that Government economic policy isn't quite right? 

Nah, couldn't be that. 

[Boo Khaki]

1 hour ago, Suspect Device said:

So what has Conor Burns done? Anyone heard?

Supposedly related to the brawl at the Conference LGBT event

[GiGi]

DPB has ramped up their posting just as the other shit trolls have been emptied (not before time).

Tick fucking tock.

[cyderspaceman]

On 06/10/2022 at 15:14, Dawson Park Boy said:

Just as an aside- is the state retirement pension actually a benefit?

Always thought benefits were things you got when you were ill, unemployed or in dire straits.

Always thought that the pension was something everyone  paid into and received on retirement age.

No doubt the experts will correct me?

The state pension is a benefit.

It was classified as such in 2016.