Clown Job Posted January 12, 2022 Share Posted January 12, 2022 1 hour ago, Ric said: Radio Scotland is reporting that not a single Conservative politician is available for comment, not a single Scottish tory, not a single Westminster story. They’ve been like this for years Remember when Ruth would do the disappearance act, Johnson done the same during the last election campaign 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doulikefish Posted January 12, 2022 Share Posted January 12, 2022 The fall guy being lined up Be a lord shortly 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ric Posted January 12, 2022 Share Posted January 12, 2022 19 minutes ago, sparky88 said: I fear Johnson isn't as fucked as we might think. Considering the tories (and England) elected him as party leader and Prime Minister despite him using racist and bigoted language, it'll be interesting to see if this is somehow a red line for them. The right wing of that party has been pushing very close to anti-vaxx nonsense, coupled with the thinly veiled "late stage capitalism needs blood sacrifices" position, and that pressure is why England never put in stronger actions regarding Omicron. He will remain in position for as long as that part of the party feel he can be manipulated. It's entirely selfish. It's not about what is best for the country, instead what is best for their personal position. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ric Posted January 12, 2022 Share Posted January 12, 2022 2 minutes ago, Clown Job said: They’ve been like this for years Yeah, I mean sure, no party likes coming on when they are in the shit. The SNP have done it on occasion too. The tories however have failed to field a representative on an almost regular basis now, and that has been a change. Not surprising really, after all this is the party that changed their official HQ twitter feed to a "Fact Check UK" one, with branding and name change (although same twitter handle), during a debate in order to criticise the opposition. When pulled up about it (the absolute fucking dick) Rabb claimed "social media is irrelevant, nobody cares about it, this is fine". While all politicians will spin data to suit them, it seems the tories are specialists in bare faced lying. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salt n Vinegar Posted January 12, 2022 Share Posted January 12, 2022 Some folk seem to be getting quite excited about today's PMQs. As far as I know, the "investigation" is still going on. That being the case, I have a horrible feeling that the only difference between yesterday's "there's an investigation underway, so there will be no further comments on these or related matters until that investigation is complete" by the Paymaster General, and today's "there's an investigation underway, so there will be no further comments on these or related matters until that investigation is complete" by the PM might be that some of the differently worded versions of the same "answers" might be in Latin. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ric Posted January 12, 2022 Share Posted January 12, 2022 (edited) 15 minutes ago, Salt n Vinegar said: Some folk seem to be getting quite excited about today's PMQs. As far as I know, the "investigation" is still going on. That being the case, I have a horrible feeling that the only difference between yesterday's "there's an investigation underway, so there will be no further comments on these or related matters until that investigation is complete" by the Paymaster General, and today's "there's an investigation underway, so there will be no further comments on these or related matters until that investigation is complete" by the PM might be that some of the differently worded versions of the same "answers" might be in Latin. The problem Johnson has is that he is unwilling to say whether he attended, and is using the investigation as some way to avoid that. Now, for a start, the investigation is already compromised. The person who was intended to run it was himself involved in arranging parties and the person who will do it now, has a huge conflict of interest as she was an advisor to Johnson in her previous capacity. Hilariously she was his advisor on "the union" .. However, investigation aside, much has been made of this reluctance to say whether he was there or not and that is not a position any reasonable person can consider cogent. He either was or wasn't, there doesn't need to be an investigation for him to know or not. You as a person on the street, were you at <a name>'s party? They'll easily answer, and that's the bridge Johnson has to cross in order to get past this. So I think PMQs will force him to state his attendance, but I fully expect it to be smudged by pointing out Downing Street is also a personal residence or that Starmer had also flouted mask mandates. I'll be honest, I am surprised there wasn't a bigger outrage when a plummy London ligger was recorded saying "It wasn't a party, it was just wine and cheese". Marie Antoinette would have been proud with that response, and I am sure many in the Northern counties won't take too kindly to what could be seen as a clear metropolitan divide. I don't tend to use twitter, but I think this parody sums it up pretty well.. ...interestingly many seem unsure if this is a parody, which tells you all you need to know. Edited January 12, 2022 by Ric 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ric Posted January 12, 2022 Share Posted January 12, 2022 (edited) It seems Sue Gray compiled the report that got Damien Green sacked. This was under May, and the allegations that he had pornography on his official government computer. This was raised in 2008 then again in 2013 yet the tories did nothing about it. The porn itself, as far as I am aware, was legal where the issue was with it being on a work computer. It wasn't until 2018 when pressure had mounted again, and Green was not shy at making continual mistakes the pressure wasn't actually about the porn but about his failings in office. Gray did conclude that he had broken the ministerial code, but her reasoning was not because he had pornography on his work computer, but because he didn't admit to speaking to the police earlier, when he had. So just to be clear, the person who will be running Johnson's investigation not only is deeply embedded within the government already, with close ties to Johnson himself, her previous findings in a "publicly sensitive" report used possibly the most lenient charge against Green allowing him, while being sacked, to do so on a point of a "misunderstanding" and not the actual "crime" itself. Edited January 12, 2022 by Ric 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dawson Park Boy Posted January 12, 2022 Share Posted January 12, 2022 All this stuff about investigation, whether by Sue Gray or Miss Marple is totally irrelevant. Boris is a goner. He got Brexit done, he’s done well with the vaccines but he’s turned the Conservative party into New Labour. High taxes, cost of living increases, illiberal restrictions, big state government - not conservative. The Party will ditch him fairly soon. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaz Posted January 12, 2022 Share Posted January 12, 2022 Surely no-one actually believes Johnson will suffer any consequences to this? He'll waffle on, insert some psuedo-latin phrases, look a bit sincere and Middle England will look at him and think everything is fine. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soapy FFC Posted January 12, 2022 Share Posted January 12, 2022 6 minutes ago, Dawson Park Boy said: All this stuff about investigation, whether by Sue Gray or Miss Marple is totally irrelevant. Boris is a goner. He got Brexit done, he’s done well with the vaccines but he’s turned the Conservative party into New Labour. High taxes, cost of living increases, illiberal restrictions, big state government - not conservative. The Party will ditch him fairly soon. I do agree that the investigation is irrelevant, and that it's the Party that decides. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clown Job Posted January 12, 2022 Share Posted January 12, 2022 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ric Posted January 12, 2022 Share Posted January 12, 2022 15 minutes ago, Clown Job said: Direct link for those who do not want to entertain Twitter's bullshit. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-33431580 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joey Jo Jo Junior Shabadoo Posted January 12, 2022 Share Posted January 12, 2022 Looking forward to a few questions about Councillor Les Wyman from the Conservative benches today. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thane of Cawdor Posted January 12, 2022 Share Posted January 12, 2022 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Ric said: Direct link for those who do not want to entertain Twitter's bullshit. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-33431580 Potted biography in yesterday's Guardian, claims she is married to an Irish C&W singer and once ran a pub in Newry. So, basically an English Janey Godley. https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/jan/11/sue-gray-official-tasked-investigating-no-10-lockdown-party-claims-boris-johnson Edited January 12, 2022 by Thane of Cawdor Egregious error. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurkst Posted January 12, 2022 Share Posted January 12, 2022 19 hours ago, Dawson Park Boy said: The thing is that I have no problem with folk having parties back then. Personally, I never bothered with any of the stupid rules. The fact the Prime Minister himself nearly died from Covid a matter of weeks before this party suggests the rules were a lot less stupid than Boris. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clown Job Posted January 12, 2022 Share Posted January 12, 2022 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hedgecutter Posted January 12, 2022 Share Posted January 12, 2022 I didn't know it was a party 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J_Stewart Posted January 12, 2022 Share Posted January 12, 2022 ahhhhhhahahahahahahaha...he's just brassing it out. Of course he is. Genuinely can't help but begrudgingly respect the pure arrogance of it. "Sorry lads, didn't realise it was a Party"...What a statement. It's just going to be yet another re-run of the meme: Us: This time...THIS TIME...we've got the motherfucker, he can't survive this, he must resign. Boris Johnson: Doesn't resign, survives it. Us: Ahhhh well, nevertheless 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coprolite Posted January 12, 2022 Share Posted January 12, 2022 52 minutes ago, Dawson Park Boy said: All this stuff about investigation, whether by Sue Gray or Miss Marple is totally irrelevant. Boris is a goner. He got Brexit done, he’s done well with the vaccines but he’s turned the Conservative party into New Labour. High taxes, cost of living increases, illiberal restrictions, big state government - not conservative. The Party will ditch him fairly soon. You misunderstand the purpose of the conservative party. When the state is used to support capital it needs to be big. Personal liberty is only important when it concerns the freedom to serve capital's interests. And tax isn't high. It is higher than it was but historically and compared to the OECD it is on the low side of normal. Good to hear that Tories aren't happy though. That's always music to the ears. 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurkst Posted January 12, 2022 Share Posted January 12, 2022 "Wait for the inquiry"... 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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