Dunfermline Jag Posted February 16 Share Posted February 16 2 hours ago, highlandcowden said: so the problem in this pyramid is,really,the LL No. The problem is the junior clubs who stuck their heads in the sand for several years, joined the pyramid late and now don't like the consequences of that. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigkillie Posted February 16 Share Posted February 16 Both parties can be in the wrong. The Junior clubs clearly should have engaged earlier, but the "consequences of that" shouldn't be a bunch of bed blocking clubs holding up progression to save their own skin. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cowdenbeath Posted February 16 Share Posted February 16 2 hours ago, craigkillie said: Both parties can be in the wrong. The Junior clubs clearly should have engaged earlier, but the "consequences of that" shouldn't be a bunch of bed blocking clubs holding up progression to save their own skin. If only the junior clubs had engaged earlier things would have been so much better. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HorseyGhirl Posted February 16 Share Posted February 16 I know I'm going to regret this but like that bloody cat curiosity is a killer. @virginton mate just about every post I read you are having a go at someone. Maybe you don't think you are but that's how it comes across. Talk to us mate nobody wants to argue just talk about this game we love. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HorseyGhirl Posted February 16 Share Posted February 16 32 minutes ago, cowdenbeath said: If only the junior clubs had engaged earlier things would have been so much better. I agree 're the green dot. But for the good of the game all the interested league's below SPFL need to work together to have a coherent and working pyramid. It will take a while and may ultimately never happen to everyone's satisfaction, but at least give it a go. Surely they have inter league meetings to discuss anything and everything. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HorseyGhirl Posted February 16 Share Posted February 16 2 hours ago, HorseyGhirl said: I know I'm going to regret this but like that bloody cat curiosity is a killer. @virginton mate just about every post I read you are having a go at someone. Maybe you don't think you are but that's how it comes across. Talk to us mate nobody wants to argue just talk about this game we love. @virginton mate I have just re-read my post and for some reason it has virginton. I have no idea how that has happened. Cannot find any poster called that. My sincere apologies if that has caused any offence. It was not my intention. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ranaldo Bairn Posted February 16 Share Posted February 16 2 hours ago, HorseyGhirl said: @virginton mate I have just re-read my post and for some reason it has virginton. I have no idea how that has happened. Cannot find any poster called that. My sincere apologies if that has caused any offence. It was not my intention. It's automatic and it's been there for years now. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stanley Posted February 16 Share Posted February 16 4 hours ago, HorseyGhirl said: I know I'm going to regret this but like that bloody cat curiosity is a killer. @virginton mate just about every post I read you are having a go at someone. Maybe you don't think you are but that's how it comes across. Talk to us mate nobody wants to argue just talk about this game we love. It's just trolling. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HorseyGhirl Posted February 16 Share Posted February 16 5 minutes ago, Ranaldo Bairn said: It's automatic and it's been there for years now. Cheers for that. I am not on here to insult anyone or deride their opinipns. Not how I was brought up. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HorseyGhirl Posted February 16 Share Posted February 16 1 minute ago, stanley said: It's just trolling. Dont understandthat mentality. We all.love this great sport and should enjoy conversing with one another. I was going to ignore but it's in my nature to give it one last go then move on. No harm done. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RossBFaeDundee Posted February 16 Share Posted February 16 4 hours ago, HorseyGhirl said: @virginton mate I have just re-read my post and for some reason it has virginton. I have no idea how that has happened. Cannot find any poster called that. My sincere apologies if that has caused any offence. It was not my intention. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambo'ness Posted February 17 Share Posted February 17 20 hours ago, HorseyGhirl said: I agree 're the green dot. But for the good of the game all the interested league's below SPFL need to work together to have a coherent and working pyramid. It will take a while and may ultimately never happen to everyone's satisfaction, but at least give it a go. Surely they have inter league meetings to discuss anything and everything. I would suggest that the working together starts with the SPFL as one of the main concerns for these clubs is where they are going to end up? The thorny issues of promotion and relegation may be eased if agreement was gained from the top. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigkillie Posted February 17 Share Posted February 17 6 hours ago, Jambo'ness said: The thorny issues of promotion and relegation may be eased if agreement was gained from the top. Why would this make any difference to how many clubs the Lowland League chooses to relegate? 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HorseyGhirl Posted February 17 Share Posted February 17 6 hours ago, Jambo'ness said: I would suggest that the working together starts with the SPFL as one of the main concerns for these clubs is where they are going to end up? The thorny issues of promotion and relegation may be eased if agreement was gained from the top. Yep there should be a transparent promotion relegation process from Tier 1 to Tier ? The SPFL will try to protect itself from what it views as atracks on their preferred status quo. From the outside it does feel like there has been a breakdown in relationships inter lowland leagues since the Colts debacle. The SPFL and SFA would kill the pyramid in a heartbeat if it could get away with it, therefore the non-league leagues for me need to be working together. But the league's don't appear to be at the moment. There is a lot of anger from Tier 6 directed upwards and this does the pyramid no good at all. The view is that the LL is only doing the bare minimum it can get away with re promotion relegation. Personally I do not support or follow a club, I just enjoy the football outside the SPFL and being honest that how it looks to me. If I am incorrect then please someone enlighten me. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambo'ness Posted February 20 Share Posted February 20 On 17/02/2023 at 20:19, craigkillie said: Why would this make any difference to how many clubs the Lowland League chooses to relegate? Because if there was a wider pathway upwards, there is more chance that a majority of LL clubs would vote extra promotion/relegation. Instead we have a 'why would turkeys vote for Christmas' from the SPFL and that naturally makes its way to the next level. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigkillie Posted February 20 Share Posted February 20 It hasn't "naturally made its way" to the levels below the Lowland League, so that simply isn't a good enough excuse for the Lowland League closing ranks. The clubs driving it are not the ones who have to concern themselves with being promoted to the SPFL any time soon, it's the ones who know they'll be sinking like a stone to the 8th or 9th tier as soon as they go down. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PossilYM Posted February 20 Share Posted February 20 2 hours ago, craigkillie said: It hasn't "naturally made its way" to the levels below the Lowland League, so that simply isn't a good enough excuse for the Lowland League closing ranks. The clubs driving it are not the ones who have to concern themselves with being promoted to the SPFL any time soon, it's the ones who know they'll be sinking like a stone to the 8th or 9th tier as soon as they go down. Proof of that is clubs that have already went down plus Selkirk went defunct because of money problem and Threave Rovers left the league of their own accord to play elsewhere. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newcastle broon Posted February 20 Share Posted February 20 (edited) 4 hours ago, PossilYM said: Proof of that is clubs that have already went down plus Selkirk went defunct because of money problem and Threave Rovers left the league of their own accord to play elsewhere. Worth bearing in mind two of the clubs that went down had to near enough fund their own floodlights just to keep a license though. That can make a massive impact on who can go on the park. As much as it needs sorted there's only 2 maybe 3 in the present LL that might struggle should they go down. The LL is doing just fine as it is apart from B teams so as much as with stamping feet or banging doors in frustration I just can't see it changing anytime soon. Edited February 20 by newcastle broon 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
invergowrie arab Posted February 20 Share Posted February 20 40 minutes ago, newcastle broon said: Worth bearing in mind two of the clubs that went down had to near enough fund their own floodlights just to keep a license though. That can make a massive impact on who can go on the park. As much as it needs sorted there's only 2 maybe 3 in the present LL that might struggle should they go down. The LL is doing just fine as it is apart from B teams so as much as with stamping feet or banging doors in frustration I just can't see it changing anytime soon. Plus the 4 that aren't actually football clubs so it's a mere third of the league that's an utter shambles. Look forward to a uni team with no fans who could be ammy level in any given year making it to the SPFL playoff. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newcastle broon Posted February 20 Share Posted February 20 (edited) 26 minutes ago, invergowrie arab said: Plus the 4 that aren't actually football clubs so it's a mere third of the league that's an utter shambles. Look forward to a uni team with no fans who could be ammy level in any given year making it to the SPFL playoff. Clubs whether like it or not seized the opportunity when it was there. Maybes be thankful these clubs took the initiative to get the show on the road and get the league to where it is today. I think one of them you might be referring to were actually promoted from the SoSFL as well. Fans don't win games though , the Uni should they get to the play offs will have finished above 3 ex SPFL sides who are themselves struggling to make any sort of impact in the league. Relegation should still be opened up though especially wi the amount of teams that are in it. Edited February 20 by newcastle broon 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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