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Heard that Chairmen of SPFL 2 teams have made it very clear to SPFL that they do not wish to be relegated to the Lowland until the current car crash of a league is sorted out. (No such reservations about the Highland.) So will be interesting to see how the review pans out.

Just like every other league, relegation isn't optional.
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15 hours ago, EdinburghBlue said:

Heard that Chairmen of SPFL 2 teams have made it very clear to SPFL that they do not wish to be relegated to the Lowland until the current car crash of a league is sorted out. (No such reservations about the Highland.) So will be interesting to see how the review pans out.

They don’t have a choice.

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2 hours ago, Hampden Diehard said:

Given that their first team were given the ability to postpone fixtures for friendlies by the SPFL written into the rules, no doubt they thought this would be ok'd.  Ecstatic that they've been denied.

Yep. They could easily have had the sevcolts as Team 19 for week 1 but chose not to. 

Delightful. 

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If the 3 B/Colts teams only got into the LL next season on the back of a Chairman's casting vote then the likelihood is that in 12 months time a vote will go against them.

At least one and maybe two clubs will move to Tiers 6 and or 4 from the LL at the end of next season. They seem likely to be replaced by clubs which would vote against having the B/Colts teams in the LL and so the majority in favour of B/Colts teams will be gone.

This shift in the balance of power may also mean a change in favour of expanding relegation from the LL/promotion to it from Tier 6. 

We've seen Edinburgh City, Cove Rangers, Kelty Hearts and now Bonnyrigg Rose move up. Another club moving up from either the LL or HL in a year's time will add to that momentum. Their presence and the failure, so far, of the likes of recent SPFL2 sides to immediately bounce back from Tier 5 is under-mining the SPFL2 clubs' argument against a normal relegation/promotion arrangement with Tier 5, and they know it. Hence the current "Bluster" i.e. panic.

All of this means that the B/Colts teams have only a year to go in which to find a way into the SPFL. They are the ones which are under pressure. The clock is literally ticking for them. 

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41 minutes ago, Dev said:

If the 3 B/Colts teams only got into the LL next season on the back of a Chairman's casting vote then the likelihood is that in 12 months time a vote will go against them.

At least one and maybe two clubs will move to Tiers 6 and or 4 from the LL at the end of next season. They seem likely to be replaced by clubs which would vote against having the B/Colts teams in the LL and so the majority in favour of B/Colts teams will be gone.

This shift in the balance of power may also mean a change in favour of expanding relegation from the LL/promotion to it from Tier 6. 

We've seen Edinburgh City, Cove Rangers, Kelty Hearts and now Bonnyrigg Rose move up. Another club moving up from either the LL or HL in a year's time will add to that momentum. Their presence and the failure, so far, of the likes of recent SPFL2 sides to immediately bounce back from Tier 5 is under-mining the SPFL2 clubs' argument against a normal relegation/promotion arrangement with Tier 5, and they know it. Hence the current "Bluster" i.e. panic.

All of this means that the B/Colts teams have only a year to go in which to find a way into the SPFL. They are the ones which are under pressure. The clock is literally ticking for them. 

The problem is that special terms for admission to the Lowland League apply to Rangers, Celtic and now Hearts. Admission was granted (just) on payment of a bribe, Colts teams cannot be promoted or relegated, the points gained from their games count or do not count, a Colts team cannot be Champions, only the top legitimate LL team,  the rules of the LL and number of teams in the League can be changed or varied to cater to the particular interests of three teams only. Let them apply for entry to the WOSL and work their way up.

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1 hour ago, Blue Brazil Forever said:

The problem is that special terms for admission to the Lowland League apply to Rangers, Celtic and now Hearts. Admission was granted (just) on payment of a bribe, Colts teams cannot be promoted or relegated, the points gained from their games count or do not count, a Colts team cannot be Champions, only the top legitimate LL team,  the rules of the LL and number of teams in the League can be changed or varied to cater to the particular interests of three teams only. Let them apply for entry to the WOSL and work their way up.

At what level of the WoSFL should they start, Div 4? I’m not particularly in favour of them, but this recurring argument about them starting at the bottom of the pyramid is a flawed one. D

I'm sure the Div 4 teams wouldn’t want to be pumped by double figures every second week.

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1 minute ago, Pyramid Watcher said:

At what level of the WoSFL should they start, Div 4? I’m not particularly in favour of them, but this recurring argument about them starting at the bottom of the pyramid is a flawed one. D

I'm sure the Div 4 teams wouldn’t want to be pumped by double figures every second week.

Then let them buy their place and insert them in the Championship.

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On 17/06/2022 at 12:51, Pyramid Watcher said:

This applies to most leagues.

aye but theres very few leagues that have quite a few teams not even close in terms of ability to teams officially at a level beneath them

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On 18/06/2022 at 09:59, Hampden Diehard said:

I'm looking forward to a couple of years of colts in the 1-2-3 positions in the LL and the embarrassment that should be felt by the rest of them. 

why should  any teams that consistently opposed their inclusion feel embarrassed by such a scenario?

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19 minutes ago, Pyramid Watcher said:

At what level of the WoSFL should they start, Div 4? I’m not particularly in favour of them, but this recurring argument about them starting at the bottom of the pyramid is a flawed one. D

I'm sure the Div 4 teams wouldn’t want to be pumped by double figures every second week.

any team wanting admitted to the league should start at the very bottom,not much of a pyramid otherwise

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5 minutes ago, Pyramid Watcher said:

I'm sure the Div 4 teams wouldn’t want to be pumped by double figures every second week.

F*ck off with this pish.

It's the same that gets said about the Reserve League. Yet was never backed when checking the results. Same was said about the Lowland last year and Rangers on "the Journey".

If you put Rangers B and Celtic B in the bottom of the WoSFL. They wouldn't be off buying £100+k signings for those teams and would be sending some of the better 18+ players off on loan.

They'd be full members and be able to plan accordingly. Right now they're kicked out after a season with no Reserve League or any formal structure to fall back on.

 

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24 minutes ago, Pyramid Watcher said:

 

I'm sure the Div 4 teams wouldn’t want to be pumped by double figures every second week.

thered maybe be a few seasons of big scorelines but teams would soon find their level in the pyramid,teams at the bottom not wanting pumped isnt a good reason for not having a pyramid thats purely merit based

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56 minutes ago, FairWeatherFan said:

F*ck off with this pish.

It's the same that gets said about the Reserve League. Yet was never backed when checking the results. Same was said about the Lowland last year and Rangers on "the Journey".

If you put Rangers B and Celtic B in the bottom of the WoSFL. They wouldn't be off buying £100+k signings for those teams and would be sending some of the better 18+ players off on loan.

They'd be full members and be able to plan accordingly. Right now they're kicked out after a season with no Reserve League or any formal structure to fall back on.

 

😂😂😂😂 No bother

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1 hour ago, highlandcowden said:

any team wanting admitted to the league should start at the very bottom,not much of a pyramid otherwise

But on the same terms, conditions and rules as every ther team in the League. The only problem is the exceptional favourable treatment, supported by the SFA and League authorities, given to two teams and now three.

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14 minutes ago, Blue Brazil Forever said:

But on the same terms, conditions and rules as every ther team in the League. The only problem is the exceptional favourable treatment, supported by the SFA and League authorities, given to two teams and now three.

I was going to say,"that goes without saying"

But given how the football authorities bend over backwards for these bawbags I suppose it really doesnt

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30 minutes ago, Blue Brazil Forever said:

But on the same terms, conditions and rules as every ther team in the League.

That point some might have a problem with if there was an enmasse participation of 2nd XIs from full time teams.

With "guest" teams in the Lowland they have had age & squad restrictions applied and cannot participate in cup competitions.

If you look at both historical and current examples of 2nd XIs like Hibernian, Berwick Rangers, Stirling Uni, Stranraer reserves etc. They get to participate in all the cup competitions except when there's a duplication with the 1st team. Have no age or squad restrictions unless self imposed. Voting rights like any other member.

 

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4 hours ago, Blue Brazil Forever said:

The problem is that special terms for admission to the Lowland League apply to Rangers, Celtic and now Hearts. Admission was granted (just) on payment of a bribe, Colts teams cannot be promoted or relegated, the points gained from their games count or do not count, a Colts team cannot be Champions, only the top legitimate LL team,  the rules of the LL and number of teams in the League can be changed or varied to cater to the particular interests of three teams only. Let them apply for entry to the WOSL and work their way up.

but they still need a majority vote to get anywhere.

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At what level of the WoSFL should they start, Div 4? I’m not particularly in favour of them, but this recurring argument about them starting at the bottom of the pyramid is a flawed one. D
I'm sure the Div 4 teams wouldn’t want to be pumped by double figures every second week.
I don't particularly care but it would sort out definitively (as if we didn't already know) the motives for having B teams in the pyramid. Any Premiership colts team would likely rack up double figures week in week out against these tier 9 sides. They would gain very little from them but if, as they claim, it's a lack of the physicality and competitive action that's holding the youngsters back then this is the place for them to be tested and prove everyone wrong.

Personally I still don't want them anywhere near the pyramid but I do wish they'd just be honest about their intentions.
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7 hours ago, EdinburghBlue said:

It works in the Scillies… 😉

What we need is major reform. We should learn from American Football and Ozzie Rules on how to make the game much more competitive. Struck by how many of those who watch lower league football how completely uninterested they are in the top flight because it’s so utterly predictable. 

I don't see how that would work in Scotland,  or across football as a whole. 

The other thing is fans tend to be in favour if it appears to benefit their club.

Not so much if it might for example increase the possibility of relegation. 

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2 hours ago, jaggyness said:

I don't particularly care but it would sort out definitively (as if we didn't already know) the motives for having B teams in the pyramid. Any Premiership colts team would likely rack up double figures week in week out against these tier 9 sides. They would gain very little from them but if, as they claim, it's a lack of the physicality and competitive action that's holding the youngsters back then this is the place for them to be tested and prove everyone wrong.

Personally I still don't want them anywhere near the pyramid but I do wish they'd just be honest about their intentions.

That is the main reason both OF teams claimed at the meeting, the players are playing the same system as the first team.they wouldn't get the same level of competition playing lower.(their words) hearts c.e.o. said they had 16 players on loan and they never really learned anything.that stats both the OF showed in their presentation to be honest were very impressive.but the 3 of them will not be looking to stay beyond this season.

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