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48 minutes ago, Bestsinceslicebread said:

Sorry who are the 8 teams who voted against it

Tranent
Cowdenbeath

Anyone else know who the other 6 are ?

We can assume, I think, that the clubs that we know were opposed to *any* guest clubs are in the list of those voting against letting 3 in. Of the current members, that includes CSS, Berwick, and Shire. 

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16 hours ago, Connor7 said:

Being reported that the vote was 8-8 but the chairman had the final say.

Not sure how much truth is in that, but certainly wouldn’t surprise me.

Normal expectation on a tied vote is that the status quo prevails. So is story is true the Chair behaved utterly disgracefully 

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A tinpot league.

I always maintained I'd follow my team when they inevitably go to the Lowland League but not a chance if it's still in its current guise of whoring itself out to the Old Firm pound while locking out the teams from below with ambition.

Utterly embarrassing.

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2 hours ago, EdinburghBlue said:

Normal expectation on a tied vote is that the status quo prevails. So is story is true the Chair behaved utterly disgracefully 

That's what most people would expect.

The board is meant to be down to just the Chairman and Vice-Chairman as well. If the Vice-Chair is still Graeme Mullin, he was talking about standing down the other week on Twitter. I think that shows how contentious this has all been and choosing to drag it out for another season will continue that.

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8 hours ago, fatbadger442 said:

We can assume, I think, that the clubs that we know were opposed to *any* guest clubs are in the list of those voting against letting 3 in. Of the current members, that includes CSS, Berwick, and Shire. 

As far as I know, Bo'ness are against too. Last year, Edinburgh Uni and Dalbeattie Star voted against B-teams, so at a guess, they are the last 2 clubs. I could be wrong obviously, but that makes the good guys list:

Cowdenbeath
Tranent
Civil Service Strollers
Berwick Rangers
East Stirlingshire
Bo'ness United
Dalbeattie Star
Edinburgh University

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25 minutes ago, Marten said:

As far as I know, Bo'ness are against too. Last year, Edinburgh Uni and Dalbeattie Star voted against B-teams, so at a guess, they are the last 2 clubs. I could be wrong obviously, but that makes the good guys list:

Cowdenbeath
Tranent
Civil Service Strollers
Berwick Rangers
East Stirlingshire
Bo'ness United
Dalbeattie Star
Edinburgh University

If that's the case, it would make the collaborators:

Caledonian Braves
Cumbernauld Colts
East Kilbride
Gala Fairydean Rovers
Gretna 2008
Open Goal Broomhill
Spartans
Stirling University

Open to being corrected if any of those clubs want to clarify that they actually aren't among the quislings who allowed this, but every club who was in favour should be boycotted.

Worth noting that Berwick and East Stirling don't entirely get a pass here either having voted in favour of the two last season, but at least they're doing the right thing now no matter how late.

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Braves "fans" voted for guest teams. Then voted against the 19 team league. Don't appear to have held a vote on the 16 or 19 porposal. Maybe one of their many members can confirm :whistle

They are a club of contradictions.

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6 minutes ago, FairWeatherFan said:

Braves "fans" voted for guest teams. Then voted against the 19 team league. Don't appear to have held a vote on the 16 or 19 porposal. Maybe one of their many members can confirm :whistle

They are a club of contradictions.

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This is the problem I have. Teams pick and choose when they want to be popular, statements about particular issues when it suits, but you don’t hear from them when it’s an unpopular vote.

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9 hours ago, Dev said:

This is something which anyone interested in improving the promotion/relegation situation with the SPFL2 and with the LL should be really concerned about. You cannot have change by the start of 23/24 unless it is all sorted and approved a season ahead. Clubs have to know which position in the league table means promotion/safety/relegation before a league season even starts. Sounds like they won't even start "talking" until after the start of 22/23 at the earliest so there's built in delay even if anything could be agreed. This sounds like a cooked up plan with the ball kicked into the long grass for as long as possible.


If the change only relates to increased relegation and promotion then it absolutely can be introduced for 2023/24 at any point up until about June 2023. Likewise if the change only relates to expansion of the SPFL League 2 by adding a selection of Highland and Lowland League teams (or B teams), because again you've got to assume that any club is going to try to finish as high as possible in the league anyway, given that there are Challenge Cup places available.

The only way I'd say you'd have to introduce a year's lag would be if there were additional relegation places being introduced immediately (ie teams dropping out of League 1/League 2 at the end of 2022/23, and I can't see that actually being proposed.

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23 minutes ago, Dunning1874 said:

If that's the case, it would make the collaborators:

Caledonian Braves
Cumbernauld Colts
East Kilbride
Gala Fairydean Rovers
Gretna 2008
Open Goal Broomhill
Spartans
Stirling University

A list of clubs with about 11 supporters between them. 

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22 minutes ago, oneteaminglasgow said:

A list of clubs with about 11 supporters between them. 

Precisely the problem. The shit clubs. And the ones with the most interest in not letting well-supported clubs from the EoS and WoS into the league, not coincidentally.

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24 minutes ago, craigkillie said:


If the change only relates to increased relegation and promotion then it absolutely can be introduced for 2023/24 at any point up until about June 2023. Likewise if the change only relates to expansion of the SPFL League 2 by adding a selection of Highland and Lowland League teams (or B teams), because again you've got to assume that any club is going to try to finish as high as possible in the league anyway, given that there are Challenge Cup places available.

The only way I'd say you'd have to introduce a year's lag would be if there were additional relegation places being introduced immediately (ie teams dropping out of League 1/League 2 at the end of 2022/23, and I can't see that actually being proposed.

I  don't agree with your thoughts. You cannot move the goal-posts once the league season has started.

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Just now, Dev said:

I  don't agree with your thoughts. You cannot move the goal-posts once the league season has started.


You can't disadvantage teams, but I don't see why any club would object to being given a promotion.

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19 minutes ago, the jambo-rocker said:

The LL, EOS, SOS, WOS should all be under one organisation IMO. There's absolutely f**k all accountability to allow the LL make the rules up as they go and SFA sure as shit won't do it.

Then you would have the whole of the Lowland area under the control of the West - just based on numbers of clubs.

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