invergowrie arab Posted May 11, 2022 Share Posted May 11, 2022 11 hours ago, bravehearts dad said: And a legal challenge from the guest team that don’t gain admission. The decent honest clubs in the LL of course voted against any guest clubs. C’mon The Rose There is no basis for a legal challenge whatsoever. The LL are essentially in a tendering process Of course it didn't stop Hearts before. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sparticus Posted May 11, 2022 Share Posted May 11, 2022 My god if hearts b gets rejected we’ll have a whole summer of sportsound specials telling us how unfair it is. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cmontheloknow Posted May 11, 2022 Share Posted May 11, 2022 1 hour ago, Sparticus said: My god if hearts b gets rejected we’ll have a whole summer of sportsound specials telling us how unfair it is. 'Biscuits' will be soggy with tears. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RiG Posted May 11, 2022 Share Posted May 11, 2022 2 minutes ago, cmontheloknow said: 'Biscuits' will be soggy with tears. He probably already is given that Yogi is about to be canned by Dunfermline. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tamthebam Posted May 11, 2022 Share Posted May 11, 2022 In case City stick with Friday nights and I want to go to a LL game on the Saturday I need a handy guide here from those in the know. Last time round: Good Guys (voted against Colts): Strollers, Bonnyrigg, Bo'ness United, Edin Uni and Dalbeattie W@nks; The Rest This time round: Good Guys: W@nks: 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AsimButtHitsASix Posted May 11, 2022 Share Posted May 11, 2022 Good Guys: Open Goal Broomhill FC W@nks: A bunch of nobodies who don't even have a proper podcast in their name. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigkillie Posted May 11, 2022 Share Posted May 11, 2022 I noticed they didn't do a poll for increased relegation vote though I wonder why!I think they did, I'm sure I read it on here. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John S Posted May 11, 2022 Share Posted May 11, 2022 2 hours ago, tamthebam said: In case City stick with Friday nights and I want to go to a LL game on the Saturday I need a handy guide here from those in the know. Last time round: Good Guys (voted against Colts): Strollers, Bonnyrigg, Bo'ness United, Edin Uni and Dalbeattie W@nks; The Rest This time round: Good Guys: W@nks: Bo'ness again voted against the colts and this time round so did the Shire. Don't know about the rest 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FairWeatherFan Posted May 11, 2022 Share Posted May 11, 2022 The 19 team league proposal looks to have failed. More fun and games to come i'm sure. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marten Posted May 12, 2022 Share Posted May 12, 2022 19 hours ago, John S said: Bo'ness again voted against the colts and this time round so did the Shire. Don't know about the rest If I'm not mistaken, Bonnyrigg Rose & Civil Service Strollers did as well. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongTimeLurker Posted May 12, 2022 Share Posted May 12, 2022 Hopefully the restraint of trade lawsuit from Ann Budge rumour was legit. No idea about the legal merits of that and will wait for an actual lawyer to comment either here or in the mainstream media before assuming it's a non-starter, but even if something like that made life awkward for the LL in terms of running up legal costs it's potentially worth doing if someone has money to burn. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dev Posted May 12, 2022 Share Posted May 12, 2022 Did an exercise using attendance figures put together by an enthusiast elsewhere on a Lowland League thread. Taking a guesstimated typical average £10 per person cost of entry to a league match. Tried to figure out the gate money income for each Lowland League club this season from playing C and R. These have been the equivalent of pre-season friendlies but played during the season. Does not take anything else into account e.g. costs and other types of turnover e.g. pies, beer sales, prog sales etc.. Extra Gate Income if £10 / person £ Bonnyrigg Rose 11,920 Berwick Rangers 10,140 Cumbernauld Colts 9,460 Dalbeattie Star 8,980 Bo'ness United 8,300 Spartans 7,710 Caledonian Braves 7,590 Gretna 2008 7,500 Gala Fairydean 7,450 Vale of Leithen 7,090 East Kilbride 5,600 East Stirlingshire 5,090 Civil Service Strollers 4,300 Broomhill 3,460 Edinburgh University 3,300 University of Stirling 2,500 Total Extra Turnover: 110,390 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
invergowrie arab Posted May 12, 2022 Share Posted May 12, 2022 5 minutes ago, Dev said: Did an exercise using attendance figures put together by an enthusiast elsewhere on a Lowland League thread. Taking a guesstimated typical average £10 per person cost of entry to a league match. Tried to figure out the gate money income for each Lowland League club this season from playing C and R. These have been the equivalent of pre-season friendlies but played during the season. Does not take anything else into account e.g. costs and other types of turnover e.g. pies, beer sales, prog sales etc.. Extra Gate Income if £10 / person £ Bonnyrigg Rose 11,920 Berwick Rangers 10,140 Cumbernauld Colts 9,460 Dalbeattie Star 8,980 Bo'ness United 8,300 Spartans 7,710 Caledonian Braves 7,590 Gretna 2008 7,500 Gala Fairydean 7,450 Vale of Leithen 7,090 East Kilbride 5,600 East Stirlingshire 5,090 Civil Service Strollers 4,300 Broomhill 3,460 Edinburgh University 3,300 University of Stirling 2,500 Total Extra Turnover: 110,390 Presumably these matches are covered by season tickets so this isn't game income. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FairWeatherFan Posted May 12, 2022 Share Posted May 12, 2022 22 minutes ago, Dev said: Did an exercise using attendance figures put together by an enthusiast elsewhere on a Lowland League thread. Taking a guesstimated typical average £10 per person cost of entry to a league match. Does not take anything else into account e.g. costs and other types of turnover e.g. pies, beer sales, prog sales etc.. What's the point of creating an artificially high price of entry if it wasn't to try and cover the additional revenues? We know with season tickets, the average adult ticket price being about £7, and other concessions/discounts that £10 is nowhere near the average cost of entry. I think it was only VoL in the Rangers game that bumped the adult ticket price to £10. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gimme Posted May 12, 2022 Share Posted May 12, 2022 Did an exercise using attendance figures put together by an enthusiast elsewhere on a Lowland League thread. Taking a guesstimated typical average £10 per person cost of entry to a league match. Tried to figure out the gate money income for each Lowland League club this season from playing C and R. These have been the equivalent of pre-season friendlies but played during the season. Does not take anything else into account e.g. costs and other types of turnover e.g. pies, beer sales, prog sales etc.. Extra Gate Income if £10 / person £ Bonnyrigg Rose 11,920 Berwick Rangers 10,140 Cumbernauld Colts 9,460 Dalbeattie Star 8,980 Bo'ness United 8,300 Spartans 7,710 Caledonian Braves 7,590 Gretna 2008 7,500 Gala Fairydean 7,450 Vale of Leithen 7,090 East Kilbride 5,600 East Stirlingshire 5,090 Civil Service Strollers 4,300 Broomhill 3,460 Edinburgh University 3,300 University of Stirling 2,500 Total Extra Turnover: 110,390 Bonnyrigg made nothing from the Celtic game as it was season ticket holders only in attendance. Other clubs must have had similar issues during the early part of the season.For the Rangers game, you need to deduct season ticket holders from the gate then use an average of probably £5 a head for admission (actual costs are £7/4), that means that somewhere around £3k was taken through the turnstiles that day. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DiegoDiego Posted May 12, 2022 Share Posted May 12, 2022 And that's extra turnover compared to not playing those games, not compared to playing Tranent and Auchinleck (or whomever) instead (which would of course be largely conjecture). 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peternapper Posted May 12, 2022 Share Posted May 12, 2022 2 hours ago, Dev said: Did an exercise using attendance figures put together by an enthusiast elsewhere on a Lowland League thread. Taking a guesstimated typical average £10 per person cost of entry to a league match. Tried to figure out the gate money income for each Lowland League club this season from playing C and R. These have been the equivalent of pre-season friendlies but played during the season. Does not take anything else into account e.g. costs and other types of turnover e.g. pies, beer sales, prog sales etc.. Extra Gate Income if £10 / person £ Bonnyrigg Rose 11,920 Berwick Rangers 10,140 Cumbernauld Colts 9,460 Dalbeattie Star 8,980 Bo'ness United 8,300 Spartans 7,710 Caledonian Braves 7,590 Gretna 2008 7,500 Gala Fairydean 7,450 Vale of Leithen 7,090 East Kilbride 5,600 East Stirlingshire 5,090 Civil Service Strollers 4,300 Broomhill 3,460 Edinburgh University 3,300 University of Stirling 2,500 Total Extra Turnover: 110,390 Sporting integrity of the league PRICELESS or should be 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gimme Posted May 12, 2022 Share Posted May 12, 2022 And that's extra turnover compared to not playing those games, not compared to playing Tranent and Auchinleck (or whomever) instead (which would of course be largely conjecture). So what you're saying is the inclusion of the colts in the league benefited a club like Bonnyrigg to a sum of money which would be unlikely to cover a week's wages for a 20 man squad plus manager and coaches. Truly a success then. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dev Posted May 12, 2022 Share Posted May 12, 2022 Lots of good points. A few more figures: Home Total total incl c and r % excl C and R c and r of overall total Cumbernauld Colts 1578 2524 37.4 Vale of Leithen 1448 2157 32.8 Caledonian Braves 1713 2472 30.7 Dalbeattie Star 2431 3329 26.9 Gala Fairydean 2133 2878 25.8 Gretna 2008 2217 2967 25.2 Civil Service Strollers 1383 1813 23.7 Broomhill 1164 1510 22.9 East Stirlingshire 2120 2629 19.3 Edinburgh University 1378 1708 19.3 Spartans 3226 3997 19.2 East Kilbride 2368 2928 19.1 Berwick Rangers 5389 6403 18.8 Bo'ness United 4015 4845 17.1 University of Stirling 1462 1712 14.6 Bonnyrigg Rose 8791 9983 11.9 Totals 42816 25.7 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marten Posted May 12, 2022 Share Posted May 12, 2022 And what if Celtic and Rangers were replaced by say Tranent & Auchinleck Talbot? They are 2 clubs with a big support, so they would also bring large away crowds. On average, they wouldn't bring much less, likely more, than the OF B teams. And with these 2 clubs you'd at least keep the integrity of the pyramid. 9 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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