hague Posted March 22, 2023 Share Posted March 22, 2023 18 minutes ago, Autistisches Nilpferd said: That's still only four trophies ever and none for the last 40 years. Doesn’t say much for the 46 countries below us and rangers did reach a final last season. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amigan Posted March 23, 2023 Share Posted March 23, 2023 Scotland have been shite in Europe since the 80s it's not the performance of the Old Firm it's the teams below that. None of them have done a thing for 30 odd years apart from one Aberdeen season under Jimmy Calderwood. Teams from other leagues with duopolies still perform from time to time but Scottish teams are an embarrassment -2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amigan Posted March 23, 2023 Share Posted March 23, 2023 As to the B teams, there are arguments on both side, ultimately the answers given will be filled anchored in bias one way or another rather than an actual reasoned debate. -2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrman2011 Posted March 23, 2023 Share Posted March 23, 2023 4 hours ago, amigan said: As to the B teams, there are arguments on both side, ultimately the answers given will be filled anchored in bias one way or another rather than an actual reasoned debate. This is the case. People are also frightened of change -3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FairWeatherFan Posted March 23, 2023 Share Posted March 23, 2023 9 minutes ago, mrman2011 said: This is the case. People are also frightened of change I think you'd find most people against B teams, are those that would support a great deal of change within Scottish football. So much so, they might actually swallow a poison pill like B teams to see them pass. Just about every proposal that's been put forward for B teams just reinforces the status quo. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glensmad Posted March 23, 2023 Share Posted March 23, 2023 58 minutes ago, mrman2011 said: This is the case. People are also frightened of change Except the proposal isn't really change to improve the B teams. They are currently playing against tier 5 opposition with no chance of promotion or relegation. The new proposal means they will still be playing against tier 5 opposition with no chance of promotion or relegation, except it relegates every single club below them down a tier. I've no idea how that's going to improve the international team which is supposedly the whole raison d'etre of this new Conference league. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted March 23, 2023 Share Posted March 23, 2023 5 hours ago, amigan said: Scotland have been shite in Europe since the 80s it's not the performance of the Old Firm it's the teams below that. None of them have done a thing for 30 odd years apart from one Aberdeen season under Jimmy Calderwood. Teams from other leagues with duopolies still perform from time to time but Scottish teams are an embarrassment Have you considered working on Sportsound. You sound perfect? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Salvo Montalbano Posted March 23, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted March 23, 2023 6 hours ago, amigan said: As to the B teams, there are arguments on both side, ultimately the answers given will be filled anchored in bias one way or another rather than an actual reasoned debate. OK, I'll play. Arguments for: it'll improve the National Team - no evidence that this will be the case the young players will benefit from playing against professionals rather than other youngsters - the new proposal will see the majority of games being against other B teams. The players can already play against professionals by playing in the main team or going on loan to Premiership/Championship clubs. The players will be playing against part time players. It happens in Spain/Netherlands/wherever - it also doesn't happen in a great deal of other countries. There is no clear correlation between countries having B Teams and being successful internationally. It'll increase crowds lower down the pyramid - evidence of the Challenge Cup would suggest otherwise. Evidence from the Lowland League is inconclusive, although the large crowds predicted haven't materialised. It'll increase exposure/sponsorship in the lower leagues - evidence from the Challenge Cup and Lowland League suggest otherwise. Arguments against: It ruins sporting integrity - clubs in the Lowland League have already seen vast differences in the teams chosen to play for Rangers, Celtic and Hearts B from one game to the next (Cowdenbeath for example played a Hearts team with some first team squad players at the start of the season, then a team of mostly 16 and 17 year olds later). Teams could end up being miles off the pace and still be promoted. It allows Rangers and Celtic (in particular) to "stockpile" players - there have already been players signed by both specifically to play in their B teams who may have ended up at other clubs in the pyramid. It ignores the wishes of fans, in particular those of clubs who will be affected. It is seen by many as a "trojan horse" to allow Rangers and Celtic in particular to leave the SPFL for somewhere else (Atlantic League, England, third tier European Super League) while leaving a team in situ here. There has been no attempt to quel those fears, either by making statements or changing rules (as they are attempting to do in England). It relegates a large number of teams down one tier through no fault of their own. Saying that there are "arguments on both sides" is fine if that is the case. What we have here is one side with half baked arguments that can easily be debunked against another that almost entirely deals in fact. It's the Scottish football equivalent of the Climate "debate". 24 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bullyweehutch Posted March 23, 2023 Share Posted March 23, 2023 This argument over it'll help us qualify pisses me off. I'm sorry but maybe if the two scum clubs would develop their talent and play their own talent rather than just monopolising young talent in the leagues we would be better off but the reality is and always will be that they would rather go out and spend 2 million on some young player from abroad. Next one is the old firm coin. Just look at crowds in the cups against B teams and fans ultimately vote woth their feet. No one has any interest in watching their team play a boys team and neither are the old firm fans. Shove yer B teams and yer SPFL3. Open the pyramid to real clubs not B teams. 2 up 2 down between WOSFL and EOSFL and 1 up 1 down to SPFL2 between HFL/LL play off winner . 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CityDave94 Posted March 23, 2023 Share Posted March 23, 2023 Hope these guest arse cheek B teams get binned from the LL for those threats. Imagine threatening the whole non league part of the pyramid because you fear the league might vote against you this time. Nothing to do with young players, more to do with their sense of entitlement and the need for gaining more power within Scottish Football. Its like the spoilt kid taking a temper tantrum because he keeps getting picked last and grabbing the ball (tier 5) which isn't his and cry-screaming ''I'm going home'', and taking the ball home with him. I'm sure the supporters will have their say and there will be no clubs wanting to join those B teams because their fans will hate them. For all the hot air and threats towards the LL clubs about this conference I doubt it comes from anyone who actually watches Rangers B or Celtic B teams week in week out or at all, probably doesn't even know who the players are and even know that nearly half of them that make up these OF B teams of them aren't even Scottish. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
O'Kelly Isley III Posted March 28, 2023 Share Posted March 28, 2023 (edited) Just for the record the Sons Supporters Trust has now written to the Chairman of Dumbarton FC strongly reiterating our previously-stated opposition to any plan to enable 'B' teams to further encroach on the SPFL. We also advised that any short-term financial gain arising from voting for any such proposal would have to be very carefully considered against the prospect of supporter boycotts of 'B' team fixtures in future. Edited March 28, 2023 by O'Kelly Isley III 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pyramid Watcher Posted March 28, 2023 Share Posted March 28, 2023 30 minutes ago, O'Kelly Isley III said: Just for the record the Sons Supporters Trust has now written to the Chairman of Dumbarton FC strongly reiterating our previously-stated opposition to any plan to enable 'B' teams to further encroach on the SPFL. We also advised that any short-term financial gain arising from voting for any such proposal would have to be very carefully considered against the prospect of supporter boycotts of 'B' team fixtures in future. Yet you take money from them by allowing them to play at your stadium. -3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dundee Hibernian Posted March 28, 2023 Share Posted March 28, 2023 On 23/03/2023 at 11:09, amigan said: As to the B teams, there are arguments on both side, ultimately the answers given will be filled anchored in bias one way or another rather than an actual reasoned debate. On 23/03/2023 at 15:15, mrman2011 said: This is the case. People are also frightened of change A reasoned debate isn't possible in Scotland, given the bias shown towards two clubs. Further, @mrman2011, people aren't frightened of change, they know what the OF and their fans are like, and it's more of the same they wish to avoid. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vikingTON Posted March 28, 2023 Share Posted March 28, 2023 1 minute ago, Dundee Hibernian said: A reasoned debate isn't possible in Scotland, given the bias shown towards two clubs. Further, @mrman2011, people aren't frightened of change, they know what the OF and their fans are like, and it's more of the same they wish to avoid. There won't be any bigot fans at these nonsense tinpot outfits' games. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
O'Kelly Isley III Posted March 28, 2023 Share Posted March 28, 2023 1 hour ago, Pyramid Watcher said: Yet you take money from them by allowing them to play at your stadium. It maybe won't surprise you to know that on this issue there is a massive disconnect between the actions of the club ownership/BOD and the fanbase. Never mind the principles involved, it has recently had a disastrous effect on the playing surface. Whoever your 'you' is, it certainly isn't Sons supporters. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pyramid Watcher Posted March 28, 2023 Share Posted March 28, 2023 11 minutes ago, O'Kelly Isley III said: It maybe won't surprise you to know that on this issue there is a massive disconnect between the actions of the club ownership/BOD and the fanbase. Never mind the principles involved, it has recently had a disastrous effect on the playing surface. Whoever your 'you' is, it certainly isn't Sons supporters. You=club for the purposes of my post. -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stm Posted March 28, 2023 Share Posted March 28, 2023 Fingers crossed Scotland can hold on to beat Spain who have nine former B team players and one C team man in starting XI. Us, not a B teamer in sight. Come on the loanees, youth development and reserves XI lol. 10 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dundee Hibernian Posted March 28, 2023 Share Posted March 28, 2023 4 hours ago, virginton said: There won't be any bigot fans at these nonsense tinpot outfits' games. Presently, not many, it's if the B sides climb up the pyramid, the arseholes will be there at the slightest sniff of success. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cowdenleith Posted March 29, 2023 Share Posted March 29, 2023 7 hours ago, Dundee Hibernian said: Presently, not many, it's if the B sides climb up the pyramid, the arseholes will be there at the slightest sniff of success. You are bang on. Can only speak from experience of B teams at Cowdenbeath this season, but both old firm games were fine. Rangers had the bigger support, a lot of families with younger kids, Celtic less fans but also seemed a reasonable bunch, no issues that I’m aware of. But, if the old firm buggered off to some second rate European league and the B teams were the only show in town, you can be sure that the morons would latch on to them right away, and it would be as we are now. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cowdenbeath Posted March 29, 2023 Share Posted March 29, 2023 Didn’t do Spain much good last night having B teams. 11 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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