welshbairn Posted March 12, 2023 Share Posted March 12, 2023 Looks like Kennedy and Maxwell are playing good cop/bad cop here. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted March 12, 2023 Share Posted March 12, 2023 8 hours ago, FairWeatherFan said: Does he think it's 400k figure from the 40k buy in this season x the 10 teams in the Conference (an error since there's only 4-6 Colts) or is has it been said that the 4 Colts are paying 100k for the Conference? From the Mail article.. Quote Sportsmail understands the Conference idea will command significant support amongst clubs in Leagues One and Two by offering a ‘soft landing’ to any outfit relegated from the senior leagues. In recent seasons, Brechin City and Cowdenbeath have suffered a significant loss of revenue after dropping through the trap door of the SPFL. A Conference league funded by the six-figure entry fees of Premiership B teams would preserve their income stream and offer prize money to ambitious sides from the Lowland and Highland Leagues not available in the existing set-up. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hauzen Posted March 12, 2023 Share Posted March 12, 2023 1 hour ago, welshbairn said: From the Mail article.. Maybe down to how it's worded, but my take was the combined entry fees would be a six-figure total. Would be mental if the clubs entering colts teams were paying £100k per season, but then this whole proposal is mental so that would be in keeping... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brazilianlex Posted March 12, 2023 Share Posted March 12, 2023 1 minute ago, Hauzen said: Maybe down to how it's worded, but my take was the combined entry fees would be a six-figure total. Would be mental if the clubs entering colts teams were paying £100k per season, but then this whole proposal is mental so that would be in keeping... I did see that Celtic made a min of £80k from their game v Rangers B at Parkhead. 8000 crowd with hospitality running too. SFA give Elite academies about 600k per year so 100k entry fee doesn’t look unreasonable.! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greenmachine Posted March 12, 2023 Share Posted March 12, 2023 The conference idea needs buy in from the LL and HL.If they say they don’t want it then it can’t happen. You have to wonder at the people running the game when this is the best that they can come up with! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon EF Posted March 12, 2023 Share Posted March 12, 2023 15 minutes ago, Greenmachine said: You have to wonder at the people running the game when this is the best that they can come up with! Is there any doubt left that the people running our game are incompetent morons? 17 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rugbyroader Posted March 12, 2023 Share Posted March 12, 2023 (edited) The biggest achievement of the pyramid has been the improvement of facilities as clubs have had to spend on infrastructure to be licensed. If the issue is young players getting competitive game time then rather than colt teams entering the pyramid the SPFL clubs should loan players to Tier 5 and 6. This was what used to happen years ago and was part of player development. The standard in the leagues is much better than it was 30 or 40 years ago as shown by results in the Scottish Cup when Tier 6 teams face SPFL teams. There is also little difference in quality between players at Tier 5 and 6 and players released from SPFL youth systems. The player pyramid for youth development would be Tier5/6 then League 1/2. If players were thought to be able to play at a higher level they could be loaned to clubs above this level. Edited March 12, 2023 by Rugbyroader 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cowdenbeath Posted March 12, 2023 Share Posted March 12, 2023 1 hour ago, Rugbyroader said: The biggest achievement of the pyramid has been the improvement of facilities as clubs have had to spend on infrastructure to be licensed. If the issue is young players getting competitive game time then rather than colt teams entering the pyramid the SPFL clubs should loan players to Tier 5 and 6. This was what used to happen years ago and was part of player development. The standard in the leagues is much better than it was 30 or 40 years ago as shown by results in the Scottish Cup when Tier 6 teams face SPFL teams. There is also little difference in quality between players at Tier 5 and 6 and players released from SPFL youth systems. The player pyramid for youth development would be Tier5/6 then League 1/2. If players were thought to be able to play at a higher level they could be loaned to clubs above this level. We had a load of young boys released from academies at the start of the season and there is a difference. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burnieman Posted March 12, 2023 Share Posted March 12, 2023 Let's look at some current young Scottish talent. Ben Doak and Billy Gilmour. They left Scotland at a young age (16?) but let's suppose they hadn't. Would playing in a B team in the Lowland League have aided their development towards International recognition? They've instead played a lot of English youth football - Premier U18/23? - England doesn't have B teams of course. I'm not a coach, so I don't know. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HTG Posted March 12, 2023 Share Posted March 12, 2023 1 hour ago, Burnieman said: Let's look at some current young Scottish talent. Ben Doak and Billy Gilmour. They left Scotland at a young age (16?) but let's suppose they hadn't. Would playing in a B team in the Lowland League have aided their development towards International recognition? They've instead played a lot of English youth football - Premier U18/23? - England doesn't have B teams of course. I'm not a coach, so I don't know. Agreed. Looking at how effective the loan system can be, Brian Schwake came to Scotland from the USA as a young lad. Martindale has managed his progress really effectively through the loan system. Year 1 - Linlithgow Rose at Tier 6. Year 2 - Edinburgh City at Tier 4. Year 3 - Morton at Tier 2. By taking this approach, Livingston can very clearly assess how their player is progressing. They can see whether he reaches the limit of his ability or indeed whether he's ready for the Premiership and potentially a valuable asset down the line. They'd have had a far less informed view if they'd stuck him in a B team. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacksgranda Posted March 12, 2023 Share Posted March 12, 2023 4 hours ago, Rugbyroader said: The biggest achievement of the pyramid has been the improvement of facilities as clubs have had to spend on infrastructure to be licensed. If the issue is young players getting competitive game time then rather than colt teams entering the pyramid the SPFL clubs should loan players to Tier 5 and 6. This was what used to happen years ago and was part of player development. The standard in the leagues is much better than it was 30 or 40 years ago as shown by results in the Scottish Cup when Tier 6 teams face SPFL teams. There is also little difference in quality between players at Tier 5 and 6 and players released from SPFL youth systems. The player pyramid for youth development would be Tier5/6 then League 1/2. If players were thought to be able to play at a higher level they could be loaned to clubs above this level. Look, can we just forget that one please... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
razamanaz Posted March 12, 2023 Share Posted March 12, 2023 Why isn't the obvious plan of having a reserve league the B teams can go into never suggested? Or is it just the OF keeping teams in the leagues to when they join the super European league - will we ever know he truth? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stanley Posted March 12, 2023 Share Posted March 12, 2023 1 hour ago, razamanaz said: Why isn't the obvious plan of having a reserve league the B teams can go into never suggested? Or is it just the OF keeping teams in the leagues to when they join the super European league - will we ever know he truth? This is certainly all done just to please the Old Firm and their desire to have B teams in the league. It's irrelevant to them if Hearts, Hibs, Aberdeen etc. have teams in the league but helps keep up the pretence that it is about what's good for the future of Scottish football. As with every other decision in Scottish football, all that matters is what the Old Firm want. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cowden Cowboy Posted March 12, 2023 Share Posted March 12, 2023 1 hour ago, razamanaz said: Why isn't the obvious plan of having a reserve league the B teams can go into never suggested? Or is it just the OF keeping teams in the leagues to when they join the super European league - will we ever know he truth? Reserve leagues no longer fit the bill - these are B teams 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bestsinceslicebread Posted March 12, 2023 Share Posted March 12, 2023 It's sickening, just goes against what we are all fighting for with the pyramid system up and running. The people in charge and have power are only interested in Self preservation. if the Highland league and Lowland league have any sense they will vote against it happening 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted March 12, 2023 Share Posted March 12, 2023 1 hour ago, Bestsinceslicebread said: It's sickening, just goes against what we are all fighting for with the pyramid system up and running. The people in charge and have power are only interested in Self preservation. if the Highland league and Lowland league have any sense they will vote against it happening Catchup have a new podcast out, they reckon it's a done deal and the Highland and Lowland leagues won't get a say, nor all the other leagues that would get bumped down a tier. I find it hard to believe Ian Maxwell has that power. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redcar Posted March 12, 2023 Share Posted March 12, 2023 6 hours ago, razamanaz said: Why isn't the obvious plan of having a reserve league the B teams can go into never suggested? Or is it just the OF keeping teams in the leagues to when they join the super European league - will we ever know he truth? Because these arrangements are just stepping stones towards the B Teams playing in the SPFL which will be more lucrative than a reserve league. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bestsinceslicebread Posted March 12, 2023 Share Posted March 12, 2023 8 minutes ago, welshbairn said: Catchup have a new podcast out, they reckon it's a done deal and the Highland and Lowland leagues won't get a say, nor all the other leagues that would get bumped down a tier. I find it hard to believe Ian Maxwell has that power. Below the Highland and Lowland leagues there is No say, that much we know. it is wrong but Maxwell is playing a dodgy game and going to put everyoen against him 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pyramid Watcher Posted March 12, 2023 Share Posted March 12, 2023 5 minutes ago, Bestsinceslicebread said: Below the Highland and Lowland leagues there is No say, that much we know. it is wrong but Maxwell is playing a dodgy game and going to put everyoen against him If you think Maxwell is behind this or has had any influence over this, you are very much mistaken. Maxwell does what he is told. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FairWeatherFan Posted March 12, 2023 Share Posted March 12, 2023 25 minutes ago, welshbairn said: Catchup have a new podcast out, they reckon it's a done deal and the Highland and Lowland leagues won't get a say, nor all the other leagues that would get bumped down a tier. I find it hard to believe Ian Maxwell has that power. They kind of rolled over from day one when it came to B teams. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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