Celtic and Hearts B Teams in Lowland League?

[Brazilianlex]

40 minutes ago, Pyramid Watcher said:

There will be no vote, they can put it in without the need for it. What clubs can do is refuse to take part in it, however they could be swayed by the £40k on offer.

Do you think George Fraser and Open Legs Broomhill will refuse to take part ?

[Pyramid Watcher]

8 minutes ago, Brazilianlex said:

Do you think George Fraser and Open Legs Broomhill will refuse to take part ?

Haven’t got a clue how any club will view it to be honest.

[Father Ted]

11 hours ago, LongTimeLurker said:

Not sure how seriously prorege on Nonleague matters should be taken after all the posts about Bonnyrigg Rose's ground but his take was:

https://nonleaguematters.co.uk/forums/index.php?threads/review-of-scottish-pyramid-season-2022-3.8962/post-199253

...League would comprise Colt teams and clubs from LL and HL should they wish to join. Entry could be based on LL / HL merit or by application. Could have one automatic promotion place to SPFL Div 2, with Colt teams eligible. Alternatively Colt teams might not be eligible therefore no promotion unless a non-Colt team wins the League. Current play off between Club 42 and HL / LL Champions would just become Club 52/54 v LL / HL Champions.

The current 3-way agreement between the SPFL / LL / HL would need to be torn up. The question is whether or not there is enough in the plan to attract the member clubs of each League to do this...

What a mess. The SFA should be disbanded on the back of such a proposal.

The place for colt teams is a Reserve league and nowhere else.

They have damaged the LL reputation and now they want a separate league to stink out and show two fingered salute to the WOFSL , EOFSL, HL and any team in the LL that voted against the colts.

If the SFA actually cared about the pyramid. Club 42 would go down automatically, with club 41 in play off and that almost closed shop that is the LL, bottom two go down  with third bottom in play off.

This proposed SPFL3 is a total non starter and if it happens it's just another reason the old firm need to GTF., they have been ruining the competitive nature of Scottish football for years.

[Broomhill Ultra]

3 hours ago, LongTimeLurker said:

Welcome to my ignore list again if you are going to waste my time like this.

WaffenThinLurker

[Ginaro]

5 hours ago, MrIrvinePollock said:

If it comes in next season- Dalbeattie could become the next Vale of Leithen?

Saved from relegation even though they are rock bottom of the league......

That can already happen currently, Dalbeattie would be saved from relegation this season if the LL winners beat Elgin/Forfar in the play-off.

[Inanimate Carbon Rod]

5 hours ago, welshbairn said:

Caledonian Braves' manager seems to be against option 3 because it wouldn't allow promotion to the SPFL for the B-sides, and thinks that Scottish Football should be run by a Junta of five right minded representatives, rather than the leagues and clubs. I thought it already was, by a Junta of two.

About 30 mins in.

 

Caley braves chairman is a massive rangers man. Hes also a fanny.

[LongTimeLurker]

10 hours ago, Pyramid Watcher said:

Haven’t got a clue how any club will view it to be honest.

If the principle of progression applies as part of club licensing to play at the PGB level nobody gets a choice on whether to accept promotion or not, so there's no way in for a club like Cowdenbeath who aren't even close in terms of on field merit. 

[Quentin Taranbino]

Scot Gemmill pushing for it. Quote other day talking about Liam Morrison 

 

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“We need to take that even further. We need more young players to be playing first team football, in Liam’s example Bayern Munich have a B team in the German leagues and I think that’s a big thing, we need our best young players to be playing first team football as quickly as possible.

"If you look statistically at the successful players at the big tournaments then they all played competitive football - be that in a B team or on loan - that’s a really big part of their development.”

 

Edited March 11, 2023 by DavidMcG

[AUcal]

It's not the responsibility of other clubs to develop their youth players. If they genuinely cared about their development they would be giving them more game time or loaning all these boys out if they don't think they are ready.

Maybe don't hover up and retain most of the youth talent if you know full well you won't be able to give most of them any game time. The old firm in particular could afford to play lots of youth players here and there domestically and still canter to the league titles. But they don't.

How about we try focusing on what improvements we can make across the board in youth development, as opposed to basically relegating hundreds of clubs so as to shoehorn in kids teams to play glorified friendlies against actual clubs.

Edited March 11, 2023 by AuAl

[vikingTON]

If only someone looked statistically at Scot Gemmill's own record as a manager and finally huckled him out onto the street. The archetype of the SFA's jobs for the boys policy. 

[Merkie84]

Just caught this announcement. 
 

Have I got this right, the SFA’s master plan for the bright future of Scottish football is to screw over every club from level 5 down?

Jesus wept! 

[highlandcowden]

9 hours ago, Ginaro said:

That can already happen currently, Dalbeattie would be saved from relegation this season if the LL winners beat Elgin/Forfar in the play-off.

Dalbeattie were one of the few good guys a couple of years back so I wouldn't grudge them a wee bit of good fortune

[welshbairn]

It can only be a bluff to push the Lowland League to invite the B teams back again for next season at their meeting on Monday. The first two options are likely non starters as they need SPFL votes, and I don't see how option 3 benefits anyone, including the B teams. 

[FairWeatherFan]

If the SFA are saying they can handle the introduction of the Conference League, why can't the Lowland League expand to 18 teams again?

What's the promotion and relegation structure from the Conference League? For those saying that it's just an SPFL league that means it can be pushed through. Then the HL/LL champions still playoff with the bottom club.

Who's supposed to fill in the vacancies created by the Conference League expansion. Are the SFA suggesting more Colt teams like last time? In which case are they paying for the privilege?

[Dev]

On 09/03/2023 at 22:53, Burnieman said:

I've now seen the document (it bangs on a lot about B teams being great and wonderful in Croatia), There is no mention in the documentation regarding funding/prizemoney.

 

3. a new ten-team Conference League to sit between League 2 and the Lowland / Highland Leagues, to include a number of B teams, Lowland League clubs and Highland League clubs. This option would not allow for B teams to be promoted out of the new league (but would allow for promotion and relegation of non-B teams in the usual way).

3. Conference League

 

Strengths

 

If established as a separate company, like the Scottish Women’s Premier League, it would not need the high

 

level of voting support that the other two models require

 

As a separate company, the new league would be able

 

to exploit commercial rights for the benefit of its member clubs

 

 

 

Weaknesses

 

Does not allow for promotion or relegation of B teams,

 

who would be stuck at this tier unless and until SPFL

 

clubs could be persuaded in substantial numbers to vote to admit B teams into the four divisions of the SPFL

 

If the LL lost 3 or 4 clubs to the proposed new league it would open the door to automatic promotion to the new league, wouldn't it, or is that being too optimistic?? The 3 or 4 clubs would be those most likely to want promotion and it would bring in replacement clubs to the LL from the WoS/EoS/SoS so opening the door to at least one WoS club and changing the balance of power in the LL so expanded automatic promotion and relegation to the feeder leagues could be brought in too.

The new league may be a backward step which could, unintentionally unblock the inadequate automatic promotion/relegation situation within the pyramid.

How many clubs would be automatically promoted to and relegated from the SPFL2 each season? Anyone know?

[EdinburghBlue]

On 09/03/2023 at 23:32, Burnieman said:

That's very much part of it as well, or as the SFA put it  "a softer landing for relegated clubs"

While I don’t want my team in the Lowland League with its current membership I’d rather that than this absolutely awful proposal.

[Burnieman]

2 hours ago, welshbairn said:

It can only be a bluff to push the Lowland League to invite the B teams back again for next season at their meeting on Monday. The first two options are likely non starters as they need SPFL votes, and I don't see how option 3 benefits anyone, including the B teams. 

The Lowland League hold all the cards.  They can reject the Conference league (along with the HL) and also reject B teams.

The SFA can't push this through without LL and HL support, and pissing off 34 full voting SFA members + the other 10 or so (full voting members) in the lower tiers, is a large block of clubs to alienate.

[Dev]

2 hours ago, welshbairn said:

It can only be a bluff to push the Lowland League to invite the B teams back again for next season at their meeting on Monday. The first two options are likely non starters as they need SPFL votes, and I don't see how option 3 benefits anyone, including the B teams. 

If you turn out to be correct then there must be a fair chance that, after this proposal, the LL clubs will never allow B teams into their league ever again - let alone next season. Now there's a thought!

[craigkillie]

3 hours ago, DavidMcG said:

Scot Gemmill pushing for it. Quote other day talking about Liam Morrison 

 

 

I'm no fan of Scot Gemmill, but he's not specifically asking for B teams here, he just wants young players playing competitive football. He even mentions loans.

[Todd_is_God]

3 hours ago, DavidMcG said:

Scot Gemmill pushing for it. Quote other day talking about Liam Morrison 

I'm not at all against reserve teams being in the league structure tbh, but if we are serious about it then it needs to be done properly.

We need bigger leagues:

Remove the monotony of playing 4 times per season.

Remove the wafer thin gap between success and failure that can cause yo-yo clubs to be wary of trying to develop their own youngsters.

Close the gap between the top flight and the bottom of the league structure. So what if the likes of Montrose (i mean no offence) etc get the odd season in the top flight off of one good season? Why is that a bad thing?

Put a limit on how far reserve teams can climb the league structure. If we have 18 teams, this should be no higher than the third tier.

If a reserve team lands in a qualification spot for something they are inelligible for, then the spot moves down to the next elligible team. It doesn't just disappear.

Whilst we are on the subject of German football, fling everyone into the First Round of the Scottish Cup and have clubs outwith the top 2 flights always play at home.