GNU_Linux Posted January 7, 2023 Share Posted January 7, 2023 I can't see an SPFL3 happening as it'd need prize money & you either increase the prize pool or more likely divvy up the current pool further which clubs would never vote for. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edinabear Posted January 8, 2023 Share Posted January 8, 2023 (edited) So a League 3 could be: Rangers B Celtic B. Hearts B. Hibs B. Aberdeen B. Dundee United B. Spartans. Tranent. Stirling Uni. East Kilbride. Brechin. Buckie. Fraserburgh Brora. Looks good to me. Some cracking games in there Edited January 8, 2023 by edinabear -16 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
invergowrie arab Posted January 8, 2023 Share Posted January 8, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, GNU_Linux said: I can't see an SPFL3 happening as it'd need prize money & you either increase the prize pool or more likely divvy up the current pool further which clubs would never vote for. The prize money was only a problem when folk were talking about an SPFL 3 made up of LL and HFL clubs. If Premier Clubs are going to pay to play like they are in the LL the money won't be an issue. Unfortunately, I imagine that if B Teams are inelligible for prize money part of the bribe could even be increasing L2 money. I only have the the 19/20 figures but L2 was 140k. 6 x B Teams at 40k a head could mean a healthy bump to L2 and maybe even L1 with plenty left over to pay 6 places in L3. Despite my objections I'm more just confused what anyone gets out of it. Is it really getting Rangers and Celtic what they need for their young players? Edited January 8, 2023 by invergowrie arab 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Patterson Posted January 8, 2023 Share Posted January 8, 2023 (edited) 2 hours ago, craigkillie said: This has definitely been a long-term goal of at least some people involved, but I don't see how they can possibly get it past the SPFL clubs. I could imagine several Premiership clubs obviously fancying it, but even for the likes of Killie, St Johnstone, Livi, St Mirren it doesn't seem to make much sense. Some of the League 1 and 2 clubs could be corrupted by a bribe quite easily I'd imagine, similar to the Lowland League ones, but it would be quite hard to get enough of them on board. Considering the last time it went to a vote in the LL it was an 8-8 tie and only broken by the league chair, and the LL has another anti-Colt club in Tranent involved, there's a good chance they'll be punted. For a decision like this, the SPFL would need 75% of L1 & 2 to approve it, very much doubt fewer than five clubs would disagree with it. Edited January 8, 2023 by Ray Patterson 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Patterson Posted January 8, 2023 Share Posted January 8, 2023 6 minutes ago, invergowrie arab said: The prize money was only a problem when folk were talking about an SPFL 3 made up of LL and HFL clubs. If Premier Clubs are going to pay to play like they are in the LL the money won't be an issue. Unfortunately, I imagine that if B Teams are inelligible for prize money part of the bribe could even be increasing L2 money. I only have the the 19/20 figures but L2 was 140k. 6 x B Teams at 40k a head could mean a healthy bump to L2 and maybe even L1 with plenty left over to pay 6 places in L3. Despite my objections I'm more just confused what anyone gets out of it. Is it really getting Rangers and Celtic what they need for their young players? League 2 prize money is roughly £650k and League One is over a £1m. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigkillie Posted January 8, 2023 Share Posted January 8, 2023 A large number of lower league SPFL clubs have boards who are Rangers or Celtic sympathisers and who would see the pound signs in the same way that the Lowland League clubs did. Would that number be 15? Probably not. But there would certainly be a few. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
invergowrie arab Posted January 8, 2023 Share Posted January 8, 2023 2 minutes ago, Ray Patterson said: League 2 prize money is roughly £650k and League One is over a £1m. That's taken a fair bump. God bless Neil Doncaster. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PossilYM Posted January 8, 2023 Share Posted January 8, 2023 54 minutes ago, craigkillie said: A large number of lower league SPFL clubs have boards who are Rangers or Celtic sympathisers and who would see the pound signs in the same way that the Lowland League clubs did. Would that number be 15? Probably not. But there would certainly be a few. Best to go back to 2012 and see what clubs supported the New Rangers being given safe passage back into the bottom league. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bully Wee Villa Posted January 8, 2023 Share Posted January 8, 2023 Is there a list anywhere? I know Clyde opposed that nonsense idea. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy groundhopper Posted January 8, 2023 Share Posted January 8, 2023 B teams in other countries isnt an argument.The uk system is built around clubs, communities, hopes of promotion etc. A pyramid now in place in Scotland means a definite progression can be achieved. If the spfl / clubs cant run a reserve league for their benefit, hard luck ! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigkillie Posted January 8, 2023 Share Posted January 8, 2023 7 hours ago, PossilYM said: Best to go back to 2012 and see what clubs supported the New Rangers being given safe passage back into the bottom league. 29 out of the 30 SFL clubs voted them in. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunning1874 Posted January 8, 2023 Share Posted January 8, 2023 I don't think you can draw any conclusions from a vote 11 years ago when boards of clubs have changed, it's a different organisation and different clubs involved, but the vote to admit them to the SFL was 29-1 in favour with only Stranraer against. 25 (Stranraer included) then voted against the proposal to put them directly into the First Division meaning they started in the Third, with three of the five in favour being Falkirk, Hamilton and Queen of the South. The problem here might be that reconstruction is essentially going to be off the table forever with the SPFL's voting structure and the two sides of the B team debate seeing it as a red line. Rangers, Celtic, Hearts and probably a couple of others are never going to vote for SPFL reconstruction that doesn't include B teams getting in now they've had the Lowland League and Challenge Cup trojan horse, so you're never getting an 11-1 vote of Premiership clubs through without them. There are several lower league clubs who are never going to vote for reconstruction that does include B teams and they'll face a fan revolt if they change their minds, so you've got a deadlock. That's very bad news for ever getting more promotion and relegation between the SPFL and wider pyramid. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inanimate Carbon Rod Posted January 8, 2023 Share Posted January 8, 2023 Basically the diddy teams in the lowland league have fucked it for everyone? Brilliant cheers guys. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongTimeLurker Posted January 8, 2023 Share Posted January 8, 2023 The HL and LL have to sign off on changes to the Club 42 playoff rule so there is a limit to what the lower division SPFL clubs can do to close the trapdoor again. The biggest problems with bronze level being the SPFL entry standard for some clubs would be that the pitch dimensions have to be a minimum of 95×60 m, gradients need to be sorted out, there needs to be cover for 500 rather than 100 and floodlights need to be 300 rather than 200 lux. Google suggests Newtown Park in Bo'ness is bang on the minimum where the width is concerned, but a club like Pollok would need to find a way to widen and lengthen their pitch by four feet or so. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
parsforlife Posted January 8, 2023 Share Posted January 8, 2023 SPFL leagues 1 and 2 requires entry licencing only. Just the floodlights that need to be bronze but that shouldn't be too big of obsiticle. The trapdoor won't be closed any further, but the rats in the LL sure as f**k have provided the spfl clubs plenty of reason not to open things up. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy groundhopper Posted January 8, 2023 Share Posted January 8, 2023 Not just the idiotic B team farce, but have any clubs reserve teams ever been in the Scottish League before ? (During the wars I guess) Question : We have loads of money, age group teams from probably under 14 upwards, academies etc BUT we want to buy over priced clowns from overseas for immediate success , and NOT play kids in the 1st team. Are we just stupid ? (All names are purely fictitious and coincidental) many thanks, spfl members 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ranaldo Bairn Posted January 8, 2023 Share Posted January 8, 2023 13 minutes ago, Andy groundhopper said: Not just the idiotic B team farce, but have any clubs reserve teams ever been in the Scottish League before ? (During the wars I guess) Question : We have loads of money, age group teams from probably under 14 upwards, academies etc BUT we want to buy over priced clowns from overseas for immediate success , and NOT play kids in the 1st team. Are we just stupid ? (All names are purely fictitious and coincidental) many thanks, spfl members http://www.oocities.org/br1anmccoll/cdiv.htm 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy groundhopper Posted January 10, 2023 Share Posted January 10, 2023 Well done Ranaldo, excellent, hadnt seen that info before. Think because the pyramid has grown, the anti B team has grown (rightly so) Clubs that cant be promoted, ridiculous situation. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shannon Posted January 10, 2023 Share Posted January 10, 2023 That 3-1 win v Civil Service Strollers shows the quality of the Rangers B team varies so much depending if likes of Lowry, Devine and others on edges of first team play or not. Lowry hat trick tonight from midfield while other teams have faced lot weaker Rangers B teams lately and lost. Farce. 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EdinburghBlue Posted January 15, 2023 Share Posted January 15, 2023 Figures in today’s Sunday Mail show the urgency of getting Celtic and Rangers* B teams into the SPFL as clearly they are unable to attract Scottish talent under the current structure 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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