Lowland team Posted April 30, 2022 Share Posted April 30, 2022 Just now, Lowland team said: Explain, how you think they've been a failure.and how they've devalued the league. They must be getting something out of it in their opinion that they wish to continue doing it for next season.and offered to increase their payments. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
parsforlife Posted April 30, 2022 Share Posted April 30, 2022 (edited) 12 hours ago, Lowland team said: They must be getting something out of it in their opinion that they wish to continue doing it for next season.and offered to increase their payments. They knew they had got away with a ridiculous offer last time and whilst worried a similar offer would be denied felt comfortable that another slightly increased but still pathetic offer would be acceptable. Edited May 1, 2022 by parsforlife 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lowland team Posted April 30, 2022 Share Posted April 30, 2022 9 minutes ago, parsforlife said: They knew they had got away with a ridiculous offer last time and whilst worried a similar offer would be denied felt comfortable that another slightly increased but stilt pathetic offer would be acceptable. That's not what was asked!!! it must be successful for them in their opinion. which is the one that counts, or they wouldn't have asked for another season.now hearts seem intereste.so there must be something thier getting out of it. -6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Che Dail Posted April 30, 2022 Share Posted April 30, 2022 2 hours ago, Marten said: You must be pretty deluded if you honestly think the B-teams in the LL have been a success. They have been a miserable failure and devalue the league. Hence why the bribe had to go up. The 11v4 vote suggests otherwise. B Teams are a success in Europe, and there's no reason why they can't be a success in Scotland. Classic: Man City 4 v 3 Real Madrid midweek and 15 of the starting 22 players featured in B teams across 6 countries: Austria, France, Netherlands, Germany, Portugal, Spain. On average they played 30 games each in a pro B team, typically at tier 2 or 3 in the respective league pyramid against other FT professionals. All of them play for their country. Benzema the best striker around? Played 20 times for Lyon B team at 17-18yr old, it was part of his development. Why not in Scotland? Probably not in the Lowland League, I'd agree - they should be in Tier 2 or 3. -8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Footballfirst Posted April 30, 2022 Share Posted April 30, 2022 1 minute ago, Lowland team said: That's not what was asked!!! it must be successful for them in their opinion. which is the one that counts, or they wouldn't have asked for another season.now hearts seem intereste.so there must be something thier getting out of it. Hearts have effectively been forced to apply to the LL as it appears that the appetite for a reserve league is not shared by Celtic and Rangers who have chosen to stick with the LL or Hibs who have chosen a route that involves numerous friendlies against development sides down south. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Footballfirst Posted April 30, 2022 Share Posted April 30, 2022 3 minutes ago, Che Dail said: Why not in Scotland? Probably not in the Lowland League, I'd agree - they should be in Tier 2 or 3. That's all very well if the league structure of the "professional" pyramid was based on full time sides. The semi professional pyramid could continue to function from the equivalent standing of League 1 downwards. Elevation/Invitation to the professional pyramid could still happen, with a commitment to full time football. -2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AsimButtHitsASix Posted April 30, 2022 Share Posted April 30, 2022 1 hour ago, Che Dail said: The 11v4 vote suggests otherwise. B Teams are a success in Europe, and there's no reason why they can't be a success in Scotland. Classic: Man City 4 v 3 Real Madrid midweek and 15 of the starting 22 players featured in B teams across 6 countries: Austria, France, Netherlands, Germany, Portugal, Spain. On average they played 30 games each in a pro B team, typically at tier 2 or 3 in the respective league pyramid against other FT professionals. All of them play for their country. Benzema the best striker around? Played 20 times for Lyon B team at 17-18yr old, it was part of his development. Why not in Scotland? Probably not in the Lowland League, I'd agree - they should be in Tier 2 or 3. Cherry picking pish 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DiegoDiego Posted May 1, 2022 Share Posted May 1, 2022 The 11v4 vote suggests otherwise. B Teams are a success in Europe, and there's no reason why they can't be a success in Scotland. I wish we had more B teams so we could one day be as successful as Armenia. it must be successful for them in their opinion. which is the one that countsNo it fucking well isn't. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrman2011 Posted May 1, 2022 Share Posted May 1, 2022 On 29/04/2022 at 19:14, Snafu said: If these players were good enough they would already be playing for the 1st team or at least involved in the main squad. These players, many of them not even Scottish are purely there to make money by selling them for a couple of grand to clubs like Stockport County or Wealdstone, the rest get freed and end up at this level or below playing for Beith or St Roch's. Real clubs that have a proper youth development in that they play them in the first team and allow them time to improve. Clubs like Kelty Hearts and Bonnyrigg Rose will have players whom will grow and mature along with the club as they climb the leagues where as Rangers B and Celtic B won't since the players there test themselves against the might of Gretna or Edinburgh University so won't learn as much, .....a huge jump from being good enough to play against RB Leipzig in a Euro semi final do you not think? It is helpful though that when Rangers B and Celtic B do produce a player with potential to be good enough to play in the Championship that Inverness can snap him up and further his development at a higher level into a better player. 1) They need to get experience playing against Men in a physical match which obviously means something instead of Reserve/under 23 leagues which doesn't really serve. Players develop with more experience or with time. They cant be all "Good enough" to play 1st team that is such a lazy excuse designed to shut down this debate when its all credited across Europe that B Teams are the way to go for more pathway of younger players with their development 2) Celtic & Rangers B sides have under 21 players. If they don't make it they will have experience which will benefit the club they go to next thats a very good things for all clubs/parties concerned. 3) Yes thats how B Teams are worked out. People on this forum are very scared of this working and will go looking for excuses its rather silly and petty. Scottish Football will benefit at all levels from having a number of B Teams involved in the pyramid system. -3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrman2011 Posted May 1, 2022 Share Posted May 1, 2022 On 30/04/2022 at 14:24, AsimButtHitsASix said: Would they have developed by going on loan? Or playing in the reserves? Or is it purely because they had a game of shooty-in against some students a coupla times a season they are now in the Rangers first team? The answer is no one knows but B Team will ensure they play in their own environment train with the first team and Rangers will set a style of play which they will get used too which will ensure their development is much better and allows more time to adapt. Being dismissive of "Student Teams" is pathetic -3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrman2011 Posted May 1, 2022 Share Posted May 1, 2022 21 hours ago, Che Dail said: The 11v4 vote suggests otherwise. B Teams are a success in Europe, and there's no reason why they can't be a success in Scotland. Classic: Man City 4 v 3 Real Madrid midweek and 15 of the starting 22 players featured in B teams across 6 countries: Austria, France, Netherlands, Germany, Portugal, Spain. On average they played 30 games each in a pro B team, typically at tier 2 or 3 in the respective league pyramid against other FT professionals. All of them play for their country. Benzema the best striker around? Played 20 times for Lyon B team at 17-18yr old, it was part of his development. Why not in Scotland? Probably not in the Lowland League, I'd agree - they should be in Tier 2 or 3. Well said. We are fighting a losing battle on here. But the Clubs have cottoned on and know its the way to go for success everywhere -4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrman2011 Posted May 1, 2022 Share Posted May 1, 2022 11 hours ago, DiegoDiego said: I wish we had more B teams so we could one day be as successful as Armenia. No it fucking well isn't. This had a number of likes. Swearing shows you are getting upset. Dont be scared of B Teams -3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inanimate Carbon Rod Posted May 1, 2022 Share Posted May 1, 2022 Look at the scenes at the old firm games, hate crimes, glorification of terrorist groups being sung and displayed by both sides, mass disorder, indiscriminate attacks on people deemed to be ‘one or the other’. Its Scotland’s shame, yet people on here want that in their league? I get theres a lot of LL clubs run by people who are just old firm fans but to the established teams you can’t help but wonder why if they gave a shit about their fans or club they’d want to expose them to that shite? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon EF Posted May 1, 2022 Share Posted May 1, 2022 21 hours ago, Che Dail said: Why not in Scotland? Probably not in the Lowland League, I'd agree - they should be in Tier 2 or 3. What a shame that will never happen. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AsimButtHitsASix Posted May 1, 2022 Share Posted May 1, 2022 2 hours ago, mrman2011 said: The answer is no one knows but B Team will ensure they play in their own environment train with the first team and Rangers will set a style of play which they will get used too which will ensure their development is much better and allows more time to adapt. Being dismissive of "Student Teams" is pathetic Playing in reserve teams allows them to play in their own environment and train with the first team. They can do all that without giving the richest clubs even more of an advantage. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pyramid Watcher Posted May 1, 2022 Share Posted May 1, 2022 7 minutes ago, AsimButtHitsASix said: Playing in reserve teams allows them to play in their own environment and train with the first team. They can do all that without giving the richest clubs even more of an advantage. The SPFL really need to get their fingers out of their posteriors and get some sort of meaningful reserve set up in place. Alternatively the SFA could get CAS to function properly. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vikingTON Posted May 1, 2022 Share Posted May 1, 2022 2 hours ago, mrman2011 said: This had a number of likes. Swearing shows you are getting upset. Dont be scared of B Teams 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marten Posted May 1, 2022 Share Posted May 1, 2022 On 30/04/2022 at 21:01, edinabear said: You have just ignored all my factual points and just expressed your opinion. You raised absolutely 0 factual points so there was nothing to ignore. On 30/04/2022 at 21:32, Lowland team said: Explain, how you think they've been a failure.and how they've devalued the league. They do absolutely nothing for development and none of the promises before this started materialised (like increased exposure & the promises for attendances). Yet they make a mockery of the league and absolutely make a mockery of the pyramid. On 30/04/2022 at 21:55, Lowland team said: That's not what was asked!!! it must be successful for them in their opinion. which is the one that counts, or they wouldn't have asked for another season.now hearts seem intereste.so there must be something thier getting out of it. No that doesn't count, not one fucking bit. Both of them can f**k off. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FairWeatherFan Posted May 1, 2022 Share Posted May 1, 2022 John McGinn's quote today probably created more press for the Lowland League than the B teams 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DiegoDiego Posted May 1, 2022 Share Posted May 1, 2022 John McGinn's quote today probably created more press for the Lowland League than the B teams [emoji16]Please do enlighten us. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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