FairWeatherFan Posted March 13, 2022 Share Posted March 13, 2022 2 hours ago, bravehearts dad said: It is indeed not . So hopefully all those in favour last time have grown a pair and reject the OF Colts applications and encourage a proper pyramid system with clubs from level 6 able to gain promotion. The baddies from the last vote Broomhill, Cumbernauld Colts, Caley Braves, EK, Spartans, Stirling Uni, Gala, Vale of Leithan, Gretna, East Stirling, Berwick . I hope you are making the correct decision this time. C’mon The Rose There's a decent chance this won't even go to a proper vote. It's only a presentation and it isn't happening in a vacuum like last time. Coming out of this meeting the reps will be passing on the information about the B Team proposal, T5/T6 promotion and relegation, and the National non-league Cup idea. Those are ideas are going to overlap into how you form a season. The B team proposal will no doubt get leaked and picked apart once again when clubs look for feedback. If the OF are throwing more money at it this time around it will prove it's just a bribe to get into the pyramid. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dev Posted March 13, 2022 Share Posted March 13, 2022 10 minutes ago, FairWeatherFan said: There's a decent chance this won't even go to a proper vote. It's only a presentation and it isn't happening in a vacuum like last time. Coming out of this meeting the reps will be passing on the information about the B Team proposal, T5/T6 promotion and relegation, and the National non-league Cup idea. Those are ideas are going to overlap into how you form a season. The B team proposal will no doubt get leaked and picked apart once again when clubs look for feedback. If the OF are throwing more money at it this time around it will prove it's just a bribe to get into the pyramid. This is what I was trying to put over. I don't care if B teams are included into the Pyramid or not but it is something which needs to be considered by the SFA with recommendations made - even if some doubt that they would carry any weight. At least there would be some guidance. Can't help but think that inclusion of B teams would quickly lead to re-structuring of SPFL2 and or the Tier 5 leagues with maybe two Tier 4 divisions and three at Tier 5 (Lowland West and East). In any case SPFL2 in two halves and LL into two could work without B teams although it would seriously weaken the existing Tier 6 leagues - which may not be such a good idea. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deanburn Dave Posted March 13, 2022 Share Posted March 13, 2022 This is what I was trying to put over. I don't care if B teams are included into the Pyramid or not but it is something which needs to be considered by the SFA with recommendations made - even if some doubt that they would carry any weight. At least there would be some guidance. Can't help but think that inclusion of B teams would quickly lead to re-structuring of SPFL2 and or the Tier 5 leagues with maybe two Tier 4 divisions and three at Tier 5 (Lowland West and East). In any case SPFL2 in two halves and LL into two could work without B teams although it would seriously weaken the existing Tier 6 leagues - which may not be such a good idea.Turkeys don't vote for Christmas. No way will tiers 3 and 4 allow change. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAC THE KNIFE Posted March 13, 2022 Share Posted March 13, 2022 MAKE IT A SPFL / COLTS FREE NATIONAL TROPHY & ALSO ALLOW THE " ISLAND" TEAMS TO ENTER 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dundee Hibernian Posted March 13, 2022 Share Posted March 13, 2022 I can't understand the logic of continuing the experiment, which hasn't been the success predicted by those supporting the plan. For LL clubs to gain wider access to the 4th tier, talks of an amicable nature between the LL and SPFL would be a starting point, but there is little chance of this when there is a threat of B sides eventually getting in through that route. They are causing a blockage at the top end of the LL table, and at the bottom as has previously been stated many times. The cheerleaders for B sides in the LL, Berwick Rangers, Broomhill, Cumbernauld Colts, Caledonian Braves, East Kilbride, Spartans, Stirling University, Gala FR, Vale of Leithen, Gretna and East Stirlingshire, are simply alienating themselves and their league from the vast majority of other senior Scottish sides. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FairWeatherFan Posted March 13, 2022 Share Posted March 13, 2022 The way League Two is shaping up then VoL won't get a vote, as they'd be relegated by the AGM. The question then is how Cowdenbeath or Albion Rovers would vote if they become a replacement for Bonnyrigg Rose. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BFTD Posted March 14, 2022 Share Posted March 14, 2022 1 hour ago, Dundee Hibernian said: I can't understand the logic of continuing the experiment, which hasn't been the success predicted by those supporting the plan. The Challenge Cup youth teams were a huge flop in every way imaginable. The SPFL and the press hailed it as a great success. It'll be the same with this, because it's been successful in the only way that matters - getting Celtgers' reserve teams into the pyramid. Nobody behind this cares about Lowland League attendances or improving Scotland's pool of young players. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bravehearts dad Posted March 14, 2022 Share Posted March 14, 2022 On 12/03/2022 at 11:50, Ignoramus said: https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/local-sport/celtic-rangers-b-teams-enthusiastically-26450067 No surprise to see the EK boss following his namesake predecessor and immediately pitching for the OF in the press. Now then the Glasgow Record you have given one representative of the bad boys have their say on the OF Colts in the LL. May I suggest that the Glasgow Record talks to a representative of one of the 5 good boys teams and they will give your publication their story of why the OF Colts should be nowhere near the LL. P.S Can’t see that happening C’mon The Rose 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon EF Posted March 14, 2022 Share Posted March 14, 2022 22 hours ago, Dev said: This is what I was trying to put over. I don't care if B teams are included into the Pyramid or not but it is something which needs to be considered by the SFA with recommendations made - even if some doubt that they would carry any weight. At least there would be some guidance. Can't help but think that inclusion of B teams would quickly lead to re-structuring of SPFL2 and or the Tier 5 leagues with maybe two Tier 4 divisions and three at Tier 5 (Lowland West and East). In any case SPFL2 in two halves and LL into two could work without B teams although it would seriously weaken the existing Tier 6 leagues - which may not be such a good idea. It was difficult enough trying to convince the SPFL to make changes that opened the league up to LL clubs. I don't imagine that situation has got any easier now the LL diddies have debased themselves down to a glorified training league, cheered on by dribbling simpletons like Chris Aitken. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pyramid Watcher Posted March 14, 2022 Share Posted March 14, 2022 9 minutes ago, Gordon EF said: It was difficult enough trying to convince the SPFL to make changes that opened the league up to LL clubs. I don't imagine that situation has got any easier now the LL diddies have debased themselves down to a glorified training league, cheered on by dribbling simpletons like Chris Aitken. There are ways and means of making a point, but your rather “descriptive” narrative is not one of them. -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon EF Posted March 14, 2022 Share Posted March 14, 2022 17 minutes ago, Pyramid Watcher said: There are ways and means of making a point, but your rather “descriptive” narrative is not one of them. Well it is one of them. It might not be one you like but who cares. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon EF Posted March 14, 2022 Share Posted March 14, 2022 9 minutes ago, Snafu said: You might find that out for yourself season after next. I might find something out in two years that I'm already saying now? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dundee Hibernian Posted March 14, 2022 Share Posted March 14, 2022 23 minutes ago, Pyramid Watcher said: There are ways and means of making a point, but your rather “descriptive” narrative is not one of them. I'm afraid I don't follow what you mean: @Gordon EF appears to make fair comment in the post you quote. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pyramid Watcher Posted March 14, 2022 Share Posted March 14, 2022 29 minutes ago, Gordon EF said: Well it is one of them. It might not be one you like but who cares. That’s the spirit. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pyramid Watcher Posted March 14, 2022 Share Posted March 14, 2022 24 minutes ago, Dundee Hibernian said: I'm afraid I don't follow what you mean: @Gordon EF appears to make fair comment in the post you quote. Calling someone “a dribbling simpleton” is not for me, regardless of what you think of them. -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dundee Hibernian Posted March 14, 2022 Share Posted March 14, 2022 31 minutes ago, Pyramid Watcher said: Calling someone “a dribbling simpleton” is not for me, regardless of what you think of them. Fair enough if you know the guy, but the way he has been presented in that article marks him down as Gordon described. Perhaps Aitken's been misquoted, and actually made a salient point in favour of OF B side inclusion in the Lowland League, but the Record's Andy MacGiilvray decided to paint him as a OF cheerleader. It appears to me that the sides who voted for the B teams are those who know they are not good enough to win the title and possible promotion, but more fear going to tier six, never to return. Therefore it's maybe in their self interest for the Lowland League to stagnate, with little chance of the actual sides competing ever changing too much. B sides aren't a threat to these clubs, they're a comfort blanket, aiding isolation from competitive intruders. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pyramid Watcher Posted March 14, 2022 Share Posted March 14, 2022 3 minutes ago, Dundee Hibernian said: Fair enough if you know the guy, but the way he has been presented in that article marks him down as Gordon described. Perhaps Aitken's been misquoted, and actually made a salient point in favour of OF B side inclusion in the Lowland League, but the Record's Andy MacGiilvray decided to paint him as a OF cheerleader. It appears to me that the sides who voted for the B teams are those who know they are not good enough to win the title and possible promotion, but more fear going to tier six, never to return. Therefore it's maybe in their self interest for the Lowland League to stagnate, with little chance of the actual sides competing ever changing too much. B sides aren't a threat to these clubs, they're a comfort blanket, aiding isolation from competitive intruders. I don’t know him at all, I just feel that we can have a sensible discussion without demeaning people. it’s definitely a divisive issue, and my overriding feeling is that it can’t happen again, I can accept last year as it really didn’t affect anyone, but it’s different now. -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sergeant Wilson Posted March 14, 2022 Share Posted March 14, 2022 (edited) 45 minutes ago, Dundee Hibernian said: Fair enough if you know the guy, but the way he has been presented in that article marks him down as Gordon described. Perhaps Aitken's been misquoted, and actually made a salient point in favour of OF B side inclusion in the Lowland League, but the Record's Andy MacGiilvray decided to paint him as a OF cheerleader. It appears to me that the sides who voted for the B teams are those who know they are not good enough to win the title and possible promotion, but more fear going to tier six, never to return. Therefore it's maybe in their self interest for the Lowland League to stagnate, with little chance of the actual sides competing ever changing too much. B sides aren't a threat to these clubs, they're a comfort blanket, aiding isolation from competitive intruders. McGilvray is a dribbling simpleton as well. Edited March 14, 2022 by Sergeant Wilson 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dev Posted March 14, 2022 Share Posted March 14, 2022 2 hours ago, Gordon EF said: It was difficult enough trying to convince the SPFL to make changes that opened the league up to LL clubs. I don't imagine that situation has got any easier now the LL diddies have debased themselves down to a glorified training league, cheered on by dribbling simpletons like Chris Aitken. Perhaps you're right but there's nothing stopping the SFA from giving some guidance, after all that's what they are there for. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigiemack Posted March 16, 2022 Share Posted March 16, 2022 https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/local-sport/rangers-celtic-b-lowland-league-26475183 Edufrance planning to vote yes again. What a shock ! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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