Celtic and Hearts B Teams in Lowland League?

[Che Dail]

7 minutes ago, FairWeatherFan said:

You mean this? The thing that had bugger all in terms of detailing changes to youth development and amounted to a sales pitch to get into the league? Quite a lot looked at it so it could be laughed at. 

Lowland League Proposal - May 2021 minus cover sheet.pdf 7.82 MB · 25 downloads

Except they didn't, remember?  There was a vote by clubs which found in favour of the proposal.

[FairWeatherFan]

Just now, Che Dail said:

Except they didn't, remember?  There was a vote by clubs which found in favour of the proposal.

Yeah, they voted for the certainty of the buy in and the potential of more money.

Not youth development and the potential of money.

We're about a month out from the start of the season. When are you expecting the sponsorship and TV deals to be announced?

[FairWeatherFan]

6 minutes ago, Che Dail said:

Frustration. 

Here's another attempt.  Please watch this, just 8 minutes of your life,  and tell me you believe nothing is being done (by the OF) to look at wider measures to improve youth development in Scotland.   This video, LITERALLY, is published online and freely available.

Rangers consulted EVERY club, and sought to implement the feedback in their transition paper, of which, B Teams was a part.  If nothing is being done, it is not for the want of trying.

They believe that Scotland is the only country in Europe NOT to have a pathway from 17 to 21 years old.  They state that their findings are 'steeped in data', and they are following 'strategies that have worked in other countries'.

The implementation of B Teams is 'clearly to their benefit', and Strategic Partnerships might work for others.

 

 

It's kind of hard to believe any of their findings and research since they never actually disclose that and come out with lies like this. The SPFL has a reserve league, like other countries.

It was around this time they were talking about the importance of Strategic Partnerships and the role they play in their Innovation Paper. An Innovation Paper nobody had seen according to them as the SFA wouldn't distribute it. Except Hibernian had already set up their Strategic Partnership with Stenhousemuir months before.

[Che Dail]

23 minutes ago, FairWeatherFan said:

It's kind of hard to believe any of their findings and research since they never actually disclose that and come out with lies like this. The SPFL has a reserve league, like other countries.

The reserve league replaced the development league and is not age-restricted.  At the end of its first season (18/19) Aberdeen, Celtic, Hibs, Rangers and St Johnstone withdrew from it. 

I'd imagine it didn't provide the rigorous levels of competition required to prepare young players for the demands of 1st team football.  Which is more or less what John Kennedy said - he'd been to Spain to see how B teams work for clubs and player development over there.

[Che Dail]

52 minutes ago, Marten said:

That one has the laughable pish of 500 supporters at games being a conservative estimate, I'd be shocked if they end up averaging over 100, most games they will probably have under 50... And it mentioned matches on mainstream TV as well. It's an embarrassing document. 

Embarrassing how? This is something that somebody has actually taken care over and DONE, as opposed to your nugatory contribution which is to only TALK about what needs to be done.

Edited June 15, 2021 by Che Dail

[Marten]

Embarrassing how? This is something that somebody has actually taken care over and DONE, as opposed to your nugatory contribution which is to only TALK about what needs to be done.

I just explained why it's embarrassing. Can you read? It's just some wild assumptions that aren't realistic at all.

[Che Dail]

17 minutes ago, Marten said:

54 minutes ago, Che Dail said:

Embarrassing how? This is something that somebody has actually taken care over and DONE, as opposed to your nugatory contribution which is to only TALK about what needs to be done.

I just explained why it's embarrassing. Can you read? It's just some wild assumptions that aren't realistic at all.

I can read - It says 'potential' additional revenues, i.e latent qualities or abilities that may be developed and lead to future success or usefulness.  And you're embarrassed by that? And quite content to laugh at it.

Yet you don't even know the difference between the meaning of the words 'potential' and 'assumptions'.  

Edited June 15, 2021 by Che Dail

[Marten]

I can read - It says 'potential' additional revenues, i.e latent qualities or abilities that may be developed and lead to future success or usefulness.  And you're embarrassed by that? And quite content to laugh at it.
Yet you don't even know the difference between the meaning of the words 'potential' and 'assumptions'.  

Come on, "500 spectators as a conservative estimate" is not even a potential. Surely even you should realise that number is completely unrealistic?

Same for games on mainstream channels.

[Che Dail]

22 minutes ago, Marten said:

Come on, "500 spectators as a conservative estimate" is not even a potential. Surely even you should realise that number is completely unrealistic?

Same for games on mainstream channels.

Well it certainly is if clubs are limited to 250 due to COVID restrictions!

But I really have no idea what the demand among OF supporters and neutrals will be - this is crystal ball type stuff:  nobody knows.  Bearing in mind that the 1st team stadiums won't be allowed to be full, you've got the 'novelty' factor, and there are usually busloads OF fans travelling to Ibrox and Parkhead every other week from most (Lowland) regions still looking to follow their club(?)  - I'm not sure that 500 is completely unrealistic.  I expect they'll be charging more than a fiver at the gate though.

The LL clubs themselves will have a greater handle on it, and are smart enough to recognize what is a real prospect and what is unattainable - and they'd have weighed that up when considering the proposal.  

No question though, when you're pitching an idea and want people to agree to it, you must be bullish and optimistic - so I'm not going to criticize the author for trying!

[Marten]

Even then, 500 is well beyond any realistic expectation. And then they say it's a conservative estimate...

More realistic would be to say there will be around 50 more fans at each game. And even that is on the optimistic side.

[peternapper]

Think in the video the guy said it was for one year "initially" which sounds a bit like unless it suits the colts.

Has the question of where they are playing their home games 

Still seems ridiculous they expect  players to gain competitive action for full time pros facing part time jobbers. 

When their squads be finalised and will they be limited to Scottish players

[FairWeatherFan]

1 minute ago, peternapper said:

Think in the video the guy said it was for one year "initially" which sounds a bit like unless it suits the colts.

Has the question of where they are playing their home games 

Still seems ridiculous they expect  players to gain competitive action for full time pros facing part time jobbers. 

When their squads be finalised and will they be limited to Scottish players

Dumbarton has been rumoured for both, Ayr for Rangers. Celtic have previous of using Morton for reserves. Not seen anything confirmed.

The squad lists are meant to be provided ahead of the season starting. As the transfer window will still be open they'd be allowed to make changes. It's meant to be a majority that's Scottish.

[peternapper]

11 minutes ago, FairWeatherFan said:

Dumbarton has been rumoured for both, Ayr for Rangers. Celtic have previous of using Morton for reserves. Not seen anything confirmed.

The squad lists are meant to be provided ahead of the season starting. As the transfer window will still be open they'd be allowed to make changes. It's meant to be a majority that's Scottish.

Would be a bit ironic if this farce turned out a world class international but they were english.

Think Dumbarton had enough issues with their pitch last season.

[FairWeatherFan]

4 minutes ago, peternapper said:

Would be a bit ironic if this farce turned out a world class international but they were english.

Think Dumbarton had enough issues with their pitch last season.

The majority of the squad has to be born in 2002 or later. Looking at who's on Transfermarkt you've got the following from 1st team/Reserves.

Celtic

1. Tobi Oluwayemi (England/Nigeria)
2. Ewan Otoo
3. Leo Fuhr Hjelde (Norway)
4. Adam Montgomery
5. Owen Moffat
6. Armstrong Okoflex (Ireland/England)
7. Karamoko Dembélé (England/Scotland)

Rangers

1. Aaron Cervantes (USA)
2. Lewis Budinauckas
3. Harris O'Connor
4. Kyle McClelland (Northern Ireland/Scotland)
5. Leon King
6. Adam Devine
7. Murray Miller (Australia/Scotland)
8. Ciaran Dickson
9. Kai Kennedy
10. Kane Ritchie-Hosler (England)
11. Arron Lyall
12. Chris McKee (Northern Ireland)
13. Tony Weston (England)

[peternapper]

Has been mentioned a few times that players like those anywhere near inclusion in senior team squads would still be loaned out to gain proper experience at higher levels which makes the Lowland League a dumping ground for also-rans

 

[A Believer]

Has been mentioned a few times that players like those anywhere near inclusion in senior team squads would still be loaned out to gain proper experience at higher levels which makes the Lowland League a dumping ground for also-rans
 

Except that development of young players has more chance of success when:-
- young players play regularly (loan players tend to be on the bench)
- they receive consistent high quality coaching messages (not saying loan clubs give bad coaching, just different)

[invergowrie arab]

21 minutes ago, A Believer said:

Except that development of young players has more chance of success when:-
- young players play regularly (loan players tend to be on the bench)
- they receive consistent high quality coaching messages (not saying loan clubs give bad coaching, just different)

1. Shite

2. FT players at PT loan clubs can still train with the parent team.

Edited June 15, 2021 by invergowrie arab

[Ranaldo Bairn]

Plus getting a variety of coaching methods and tactical styles is surely going to be good for them, no?

Or are the puir wee dimwits' brains going to be overwhelmed by their "host" manager telling them to push up, when their "home" coach likes them to sit? 

[A Believer]

1. Shite
2. FT players at PT loan clubs can still train with the parent team.

1. Shows what you know
2. Didn't say they didn't, the words were consistency and quality. So you think a Utd loanee would benefit from coaching from a part time coach over a full time one?

[A Believer]

Plus getting a variety of coaching methods and tactical styles is surely going to be good for them, no?
Or are the puir wee dimwits' brains going to be overwhelmed by their "host" manager telling them to push up, when their "home" coach likes them to sit? [emoji1]

Fair point about learning variations of styles and tactics; but I don't think part time coaches have player by player physical and nutritional development plans they review every week.