Popular Post johnmc80 Posted June 6, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted June 6, 2021 Whoever finishes top should be the Champions B team or not anything else is a farce. I don’t think a B team will win it however.Its a farce to begin with. Having 2 teams in, that can’t win league, or be relegated is a shambles and completely devalues the competition. There is no sugar coating it. Its a horrible decision. 21 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongTimeLurker Posted June 7, 2021 Share Posted June 7, 2021 6 hours ago, Cowden Cowboy said: Yes but SPFL can then dispute this - .... It's the SFA that runs the HL vs LL playoff. There's no role for the SPFL in determining how the clubs in question became champion. They only get to determine whether the clubs nominated as champions by the leagues meet SPFL membership criteria. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cowden Cowboy Posted June 7, 2021 Share Posted June 7, 2021 2 hours ago, LongTimeLurker said: It's the SFA that runs the HL vs LL playoff. There's no role for the SPFL in determining how the clubs in question became champion. They only get to determine whether the clubs nominated as champions by the leagues meet SPFL membership criteria. So how did the SPFL go to an SFA arbitration last month then if they just have to accept any random club being named as champion. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FairWeatherFan Posted June 7, 2021 Share Posted June 7, 2021 2 hours ago, LongTimeLurker said: It's the SFA that runs the HL vs LL playoff. There's no role for the SPFL in determining how the clubs in question became champion. They only get to determine whether the clubs nominated as champions by the leagues meet SPFL membership criteria. The LL couldn't just nominate someone in 2020 or 2021, they had to go with PPG or some other method. Yet magically they would be allowed to in 2022 if an OF 'B' finishes top of the table. There would be room for a challenge. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongTimeLurker Posted June 7, 2021 Share Posted June 7, 2021 8 minutes ago, Cowden Cowboy said: So how did the SPFL go to an SFA arbitration last month then if they just have to accept any random club being named as champion. A question that would only be worth exploring if the arbitration had found in Brechin's favour. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marten Posted June 7, 2021 Share Posted June 7, 2021 (edited) 10 hours ago, Cowden Cowboy said: Yes but SPFL can then dispute this - and thus there is another arbitration risk. The LL then argue the team that finished first on merit over a fully completed season aren’t the champions - not sure I’d like to present that case. And let's not forget, how would you then defend the point that if any tier 6 champion is ineligible, the next eligible team can't get into the LL play-off? Especially for the SoSFL with Stranraer Reserves. Then the SoSFL should be able to select a different champion too. Edited June 7, 2021 by Marten 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lowenan Posted June 7, 2021 Share Posted June 7, 2021 The deal here is specifically that they are not part of the promotion/relegation part of the competition. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongTimeLurker Posted June 7, 2021 Share Posted June 7, 2021 (edited) ...and that although their results count towards the league table for the 16 LL members the Old Firm B teams do not get included in the final league table. A lot of people on here argue from the standpoint of what they want to happen and then will relentlessly try to assert that posture is what will happen regardless of what the rules actually say. I don't think the LL should have entered into this agreement but there is no evidence that it has any impact on promotion/relegation issues where the SPFL and tier 6 are concerned and can be used in the ways that are being described. Edited June 7, 2021 by LongTimeLurker 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marten Posted June 7, 2021 Share Posted June 7, 2021 44 minutes ago, lowenan said: The deal here is specifically that they are not part of the promotion/relegation part of the competition. But how watertight is that? I'm not saying that it's definitely going to cause problems, but when looking at SPFL attempts to save Brechin this year, you can put money on that they will try to exclude the LL from the pyramid play-off if an OF side finish top. I'm sure the SPFL bottom team would rather just play the HL champion as the LL champion is likely to be stronger. They will have their case watertight to prevent any challenges. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cowden Cowboy Posted June 7, 2021 Share Posted June 7, 2021 2 hours ago, LongTimeLurker said: A question that would only be worth exploring if the arbitration had found in Brechin's favour. All the arbitration looked at was the 2 leagues right to declare a champion in a season that was Covid abbreviated with PPG being the merit based system adopted. It was not an arbitration that had a wider remit 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burnieman Posted June 7, 2021 Share Posted June 7, 2021 4 hours ago, caleyth said: So two b teams that can't win the league, one relegation place from a massive league and massive backlog below. No direct relegation from league two. As well as numerous other side issues. Wtf even is this system as it certainly isn't any kind of football 'pyramid' Do you have a cousin down south called Gassy? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cowden Cowboy Posted June 7, 2021 Share Posted June 7, 2021 Would the sensible course not have been for the LL to approach the SPFL to seek their agreement that in the event of a B team topping the table they would accept the highest placed non B team for the play off? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cowdenbeath Posted June 7, 2021 Share Posted June 7, 2021 3 hours ago, Marten said: And let's not forget, how would you then defend the point that if any tier 6 champion is ineligible, the next eligible team can't get into the LL play-off? Especially for the SoSFL with Stranraer Reserves. Then the SoSFL should be able to select a different champion too. Their just blown a lot of their rules away with allowing this to happen. As you say if feeder teams champions arn't licensed you can't just pick the highest eligible team but they want to do just that for the L2 play off. That's without mentioning them breaking their rule about no reserve sides in the LL. Have they sold the TV rights to the Disney Channel yet? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FairWeatherFan Posted June 7, 2021 Share Posted June 7, 2021 10 minutes ago, Cowden Cowboy said: Would the sensible course not have been for the LL to approach the SPFL to seek their agreement that in the event of a B team topping the table they would accept the highest placed non B team for the play off? Chances are on a Board level the SPFL have given their blessing. The only way it will get challenged is similar to this year. Where if it's looking likely that an OF 'B' will top the table the potential HL & Club 42 candidates will challenge an elected LL representative. Of course if that happens the back pages will be filled with the headlines that the OF 'B' deserve a place in the play-off. As it would be seen as proof that 'B' teams should be in the pyramid. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drs Posted June 7, 2021 Share Posted June 7, 2021 7 hours ago, caleyth said: So two b teams that can't win the league, one relegation place from a massive league and massive backlog below. No direct relegation from league two. As well as numerous other side issues. Wtf even is this system as it certainly isn't any kind of football 'pyramid' Didnt take you long to create a new account Traffers/Gassy/Arny Juniors are still dead though. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cowden Cowboy Posted June 7, 2021 Share Posted June 7, 2021 7 hours ago, LongTimeLurker said: ...and that although their results count towards the league table for the 16 LL members the Old Firm B teams do not get included in the final league table. A lot of people on here argue from the standpoint of what they want to happen and then will relentlessly try to assert that posture is what will happen regardless of what the rules actually say. I don't think the LL should have entered into this agreement but there is no evidence that it has any impact on promotion/relegation issues where the SPFL and tier 6 are concerned and can be used in the ways that are being described. Advice from Sir Humphrey to the LL - A courageous decision guys 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Honestman1954 Posted June 11, 2021 Share Posted June 11, 2021 Have the Colt teams decided where they are going to play home games yet? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inanimate Carbon Rod Posted June 13, 2021 Share Posted June 13, 2021 Watched the England vs Croatia game, whats everyones thoughts on Colt Teams benefiting the national sides now? Especially keen to hear from the folks who used Croatia as an example. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A Believer Posted June 14, 2021 Share Posted June 14, 2021 Watched the England vs Croatia game, whats everyones thoughts on Colt Teams benefiting the national sides now? Especially keen to hear from the folks who used Croatia as an example. Does this herald this thread now being devoid of any salient point. So Croatia lose 1-0 away to the 2nd favourites for the Euros [emoji848] 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inanimate Carbon Rod Posted June 14, 2021 Share Posted June 14, 2021 Just now, A Believer said: Does this herald this thread now being devoid of any salient point. So Croatia lose 1-0 away to the 2nd favourites for the Euros Not so much losing to England as being absolutely fucking gash with no real products of the B teams in the squad. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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